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Anonymous wrote:The qualities of gifted and talented are by definition are present at birth and are equally distributed across race and socio-economic factors.

If your program actually selects for environments factors that favour middle class and predominantly white kids then you don’t fit the title and deserve to be abolished.

When these programs select low income Black, Hispanic and any kid with EFL at the proportion that they are present in the community then I will take them seriously.

I know you really want to believe this but it isn't true. REEEEEEEEE out all you want but the the data shows otherwise.

I said equal at birth not in early childhood when, yes there is disparity. The answer is greater post natal care for the parents to encourage them the sing the alphabet song, teach lullabies and nursery rhymes etc , the things that middle class parents do that creates that gap. Invest in the social safety net so these families have the means they need to provide a stable and nurturing environment.

Anonymous wrote:This is a relatively new phenomenon. actually.

I went to one of the said G&T NYC High Schools in the late '70s/early '80s. There was a sizeable population of black and brown students back then in addition to Asian and white students...about 30 %.

Elementary in lower-income areas needs to stop teaching to the lowest common denominator and parents need to support their children's education...not expect the teachers to carry the burden of raising their kids!.

Things were different back then...parents took a more active role in their children's education and none of the awful behaviors I see in the schools now was tolerated allowing the higher achievers in all demographics to actually learn!

The problem is, you can never say this out loud.

Dumbing down of America.

US is toast.

This is a relatively new phenomenon. actually.

I went to one of the said G&T NYC High Schools in the late 70's/early 80's. There was a sizeable population of black and brown students back then in addition to asian and white students...about 30 %.

Elementary in lower income areas needs to stop teaching to tghe lowest common denominator and parents need to support their children's education...not expect the teachers to carry the burden of raising their kids!.

Things were different back then...parents took a more active role in their childrens' education and none of the awful behaviors I see in the schools now was tolerated allowing the higher achievers in all demographics to actually learn!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:wow there is a lot of just straight up classic racism in this thread. incredible.

+1

Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:So if this is true, how will the educational needs of the gifted and talented kids be met? Are they all just going to be put in gen. ed. classrooms?

Do you really believe that most kids in GT programs really are gifted? I highly doubt it. Most likely have highly educated parents who push them very hard to succeed and have all the necessary resources to ensure their kids do well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The qualities of gifted and talented are by definition are present at birth and are equally distributed across race and socio-economic factors.

If your program actually selects for environments factors that favour middle class and predominantly white kids then you don’t fit the title and deserve to be abolished.

When these programs select low income Black, Hispanic and any kid with EFL at the proportion that they are present in the community then I will take them seriously.

This is a nice sentiment, but it's belied by the evidence. It's common wisdom in the social sciences that IQ or "g" (general intelligence) is highly correlated with maternal education level.

All four of my grandparents where only educated to 6 years old in Sri Lanka and now all 6 of their kids have post graduate degrees. So that’s bull. Give our least privileged citizens the resources and community driven high expectations that my parents got and the sky is the limit. It’s not expensive, they literally only needed textbooks pencils and paper. My dad still has his and used to tutor me from it.

Agreed. I come from a poor country where some kids had to do homework by candlelight because of frequent power cuts. These kids also lacked basics like desks, paper, etc. Their mothers were illiterate and yet through sheer perseverance they were able to study and go to university. Of course these kids were the exception, not the rule. Most of their peers ended up poor and uneducated just like their parents.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The qualities of gifted and talented are by definition are present at birth and are equally distributed across race and socio-economic factors.

If your program actually selects for environments factors that favour middle class and predominantly white kids then you don’t fit the title and deserve to be abolished.

When these programs select low income Black, Hispanic and any kid with EFL at the proportion that they are present in the community then I will take them seriously.

The problem with what you want is that the talent that may or may not be present in low income black and Hispanic kids will go to waste because no one at home is nurturing it. The schools can, at best, make a small dent. So the current system is best whereby the kids who are willing to do the extra work and will put the extra education to good use are admitted.

Except that isn’t the current system since only a few kids are ever even offered the extra education. When we tried Baltimore City public schools, I was told that there was nothing that could be done for my DC who was advanced. We had to move to MoCo where she was quickly identified as GT and given appropriate opportunities. We escaped Baltimore City public schools because we could afford to move. Most poor families can’t afford to move neighborhoods let alone to another school district to access opportunities for their gifted kids. They are left to wither on the vine.

Anonymous wrote:The qualities of gifted and talented are by definition are present at birth and are equally distributed across race and socio-economic factors.

If your program actually selects for environments factors that favour middle class and predominantly white kids then you don’t fit the title and deserve to be abolished.

When these programs select low income Black, Hispanic and any kid with EFL at the proportion that they are present in the community then I will take them seriously.

I know you really want to believe this but it isn't true. REEEEEEEEE out all you want but the the data shows otherwise.

Anonymous wrote:The qualities of gifted and talented are by definition are present at birth and are equally distributed across race and socio-economic factors.

If your program actually selects for environments factors that favour middle class and predominantly white kids then you don’t fit the title and deserve to be abolished.

When these programs select low income Black, Hispanic and any kid with EFL at the proportion that they are present in the community then I will take them seriously.

The problem with what you want is that the talent that may or may not be present in low income black and Hispanic kids will go to waste because no one at home is nurturing it. The schools can, at best, make a small dent. So the current system is best whereby the kids who are willing to do the extra work and will put the extra education to good use are admitted.

In not sure there needs to be a program that tracks students at 4 but I agree that there should be grouping of students based on academics af MS.

In the “old days” kids were ability grouped by classroom. That would also be fine with most but is out of fashion

Anonymous wrote:Good. This is how things were handled in the "old days".

It's funny how folks are trying to say this is a liberal conspiracy, when the schools are going back to the "good old days" when there were no gifted programs.

Exactly what years were "the good old days" for America's public education system?

Good. This is how things were handled in the "old days".

It's funny how folks are trying to say this is a liberal conspiracy, when the schools are going back to the "good old days" when there were no gifted programs.

This is how the left hells create “equity,” by making everyone equally less educated and challenged. This is a travesty.