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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Seems like these pods are going to just increase community spread like crazy. They closed schools for a reason folks. [/quote]

There’s a difference between limiting a potential outbreak to a group of 4 kids and their families and having a classroom outbreak, or spread around on a bus containing kids from many different classrooms.

The big rallying cry in many districts was to protect the teachers. Pods achieve that.

This is a dire situation where parents need to work while kids need to engage in learning. By all means, make suggestions that allow that to happen while avoiding live school AND small private arrangements/ pods. We’ll wait. [/quote]

Data is now coming out that kids are just as susceptible to this virus than adults. One of the main reasons that kids were spared this spring was...wait for it...they closed schools. Now that camps and schools opened, look at the data. Rising sickness AND deaths. I'm not saying kids are as likely to die as grandparents, but they are seeing more deaths and we don't know the long term effects.

Look, I know this is hard. But saying school closures only protect teachers is outdated data. I get that it's hard to work and oversee school but the stakes are too high with this virus for my family.[/quote]

Please show the “data” that proves this.

I saw those headlines too, but the “data” behind them are weak at best [/quote]

It depends on what "data" you are doubting, I can't tell.

If there is something that is going on around that impacts 1% of kids and of that 1%, 0.1 percent have bad outcomes (hospitalization, long term effects, death, whatever), then it's probably pretty low on the list of what parents need to worry about. But if we then find that the something going around actually impacts 10% of kids, then that 0.1 percent all of a sudden becomes more concerning.

Deaths and effects have been low because kids were out of school etc. As things are opening up and kids are congregating, kids are getting the virus at much higher rates. 100K in the last 2 weeks! And schools have even really opened yet! Just a few have plus more camps etc.

So as cases go, adverse effects in kids will go up too. [/quote]

OK, I see your point now.  You're referring to their susceptibility to get infected, not the rate at which they have serious complications.  I haven't seen anything suggesting that the mortality or complication rate is substantially higher than previously thought.

The data on transmissibility in children is still up for debate, with recent studies pointing both directions.  Looking at the past several months, the general pattern I saw in studies was that laboratory studies that looked at things like viral load suggested kids should transmit just as well as adults, but case studies tended to suggest that they didn't in practice.  I do know, however, there are some more recent studies that go against that conclusion (though, I think there's also some recent studies that support it, too).[/quote]

This is jarring: "COVID-19 hospitalizations among children in Florida rose from 213 to 436 during that same period, a 105% increase. Deaths among children rose from four to seven in Florida during that period."

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-covid-19-child-cases-increase/33573641#

Essentially, we had low adverse outcomes in kids because kids weren't getting exposed and therefore sick. Now, kids are getting exposed, sick, and we are seeing more bad outcomes.

Still fewer than older people, yes. But as a parent this is concerning. [/quote]

That all sounds rather expected, no?  When you double the cases, you double the deaths.   Am I missing something?  Why would you find that jarring?[/quote]

Um, it's jarring because if you do the math that some of the experts are doing, it means a lot of kids will die or suffer long term health consequences. [/quote]

I guess I'm just reacting the the idea that there's any new information here.  We've always known children to get and transmit COVID, and the cases observed in Florida (7 out of 40,000 pediatric cases) yields a 0.0175% pediatric mortality rate.  That's roughly in-line with what's been estimated for a while now.

You can be disturbed by a 0.0175% mortality rate- I just don't see why there's any particular reason to be more worried now than you should have been a month or two ago.

As a point of reference, though, I do want to point out that the 2019-2020 flu season resulted in 14 pediatric flu-associated deaths in Florida.

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+1 thank you for explaining this, immediate PP. Seems so many people don’t understand or care to look deeper at the statistics and how they are PROPORTIONATE to whatever other metrics you’re using to compare them with! You can’t just read headlines and think you’re fully informed. [/quote]

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