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[quote=TheManWithAUsername][quote=Anonymous]I didn't switch the argument. I was responding to 22:38 who claimed that "working" (presumably outside the home in a paid job) sucks.[/quote] You quoted "lucky," which is what started this whole thing. [quote=Anonymous]As for what you mean by "generalizing," I don't know what you mean. I stated my opinion of what I would like to see. I work in a male-dominated field, I can only name ONE man I know personally who took full advantage of stated paternity leave policy. I can name at least a dozen women, OTOH, who took full advantage of parental leave policies, and a half-dozen who quit their careers altogether.[/quote] Why did you mention it if not to suggest that men who think it's OK for women to stay at home don't do those things? [quote=Anonymous]Lack of support for families is sexism. Because the vast majority of people who end up giving up health insurance, retirement savings, and income to take care of children while they are young are WOMEN.[/quote] "End up" doing those things? You mean when they choose to have children and choose not to negotiate with their spouses to do the childcare. They're not struck pregnant. There's no question that it's unfair in a cosmic sense that it's more burdensome for women to have children than for men to have them. On the whole, there's no question to me that women are screwed by nature relative to men. That doesn't make it sexist for others not to work to ameliorate the natural injustice. What about the injustice of infertility? In your scenario, the infertile women will be discriminated against. [quote=Anonymous]Men have long been able to maintain their careers while having children, but women still struggle with this. Why do you think this is?!?[/quote] I'm not sure what you mean by "able to," and I suspect that you are trying to slip past a premise that women absolutely cannot maintain their careers, when in many cases they can. When they can't, it's because pregnancy and childbirth directly interfere with their careers, or because of illegal discrimination, of course. Sexist firings, etc. - i.e., those that have no rational basis - of course occur, and I'm not defending them. Because I don't think there are many women who absolutely cannot maintain their careers, I'll instead answer the question of why women are much less likely to maintain them. For the following reasons, in no particular order: - pregnancy, childbirth, and breastfeeding interfere with work - for that reason, for simple sexism - i.e., irrational discrimination against women by a patriarchy - and because women are more interested in lower paying jobs,* women earn less, so it's a rational decision for the family for the man to continue working - for multiple reasons, women are more interested in childcare than men are * There's a feedback loop here that makes it hard to tease out the factors. Certain jobs likely pay less because they have traditionally been dominated by women.[/quote]
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