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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Part of it has been systematic disenfranchisement of African Americans.  This recent Propublica/New Yorker article covers one example--black families passed down land to descendants, and the land is sometimes later taken from them by courts, developers, etc.  I'm black (although 1st-gen American) and I had no idea stuff like this had occurred recently and is still ongoing.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/22/kicked-off-the-land?utm_brand=tny&utm_source=facebook&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1O7GdqtpMZK7fjhGnTFgzNfrm3ShGBmRmydq0pG7c11bKpcTi0zsnNtDc[/quote]

This is an interesting piece. But you should know seizing land and valuables happens in small towns too. Texas has a huge problem with this, and it’s not just against Blacks. I only skimmed the piece but it’s seems it’s a lack of education of how laws are in flux that results in land losing.

I’m Hispanic (2nd generation), I’m the pp poster with my family idea. I think Op that the ones that do this have drugs and nothing to lose. Most people are good if they aren’t on drugs. If they had a good family unit even poor, there would be something to turn to. Money does buy opportunities. [b]But love care and togetherness is not bought with money[/b]. If they could turn to church, they could turn around. I don’t think they are past rehab. But it can’t be the government fixing this. Yes there’s millions of issues they can fix. But you can’t fix instrisic value with a law. Foster children have the same issue. [/quote]

Yes, in fact love, care, and togetherness ARE bought with money, in part.  I am the PP white mom with the challenging son.  My money and privilege:  got him an IEP; got him top-of-the line therapy; got a house zoned for a good school where they implement the IEP; got me a job with great health insurance for him; got me a house close to my work so I can spend more time at home with him; and probably most importantly -- not being in poverty greatly reduces my stress level, so I can be a good parent.  [/quote]

Ok this is ridiculous OP. So unless you get paid well you can’t love and care for your kids? Cook or clean at home? I’m Hispanic and my parents came here as immigrants and through their love and care a I succeeded. My mom worked as cafeteria lady, we were dirt poor. Their money did not afford me the best school, I went to a regular public school, middle school was horrible with gangs. I’m now a parent two two boys. One with autism. I dedicate time to him and he succeeds. I recognize that now I have an economic component that other kids don’t have. But it goes hand in hand. IEPs also don’t cost money, it’s a law that schools have to provide.

But As other black men said, they practice self care and do the best they can. Showing up and hard work gets you far, even when the stakes are against you. This is why immigrants come here. Granted I’m also aware blacks experience another level of racism Hispanics don’t.

OP’s examples of people who kill senselessly are not related to blacks. Any race can do that. The Hispanic man who shot that woman in San Francisco, etc. these are just people with no social network, no church, job, family (again not bought with money!), and emotional battered. Probably no role models either, mixed with the $ aspect. And drugs. It kills any sense of morality or care for humanity. OP do you think this from reading the news. The news is sensational. 
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Of course you can love and take care of your kids in poverty. But poverty adds stress, and reduces resources (by definition). When coupled with things like lead poisoning, bad schools, bad housing, lack of outdoor play space that already disadvantage these kids ... poverty makes it MUCH MUCH harder for parents to take care of kids and prevent behavioral issues.  The parents don't actually love their kids any less -- that I am clear on -- but stress & poverty must make good parenting so much harder.

And IEPs don't cost money, are you joking? Do you know the number of hours & personal expertise & professional/personal capital I had to dedicate to get my child's IEP ... and the money it takes to enroll him in a school that will implement it well?  [/quote]

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