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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.

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Why? That’s probably [b]the most pertinent[/b] fact in college admissions these days[/quote]

You know this is not true.[/quote]

DP.     You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true.  The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering.  And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median.   The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.[/quote]

Racist much?[/quote]

Such an idiotic comment.....those are facts not opinions.  And yes, it’s the exact same thing for athletes.[/quote]

But I’ll add that the handicap for athletes, while significant, isn’t close to that for URMs.......and that’s before this adversity nonsense factors in.[/quote]

What facts do you have?

"amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering" - how much?

"they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median." - how much?

"the handicap for athletes, while significant, isn’t close to that for URMs."  - how much?

just because you assert conclusions as facts, doesn't make them facts.  you have no support.

Some actual facts:

Recruited athletes are admitted to Harvard roughly [b]80 percent of the time[/b].

Recruited athletes with an academic rating of 4 on Harvard's 1-6 scale are admitted at a rate of 70.46%.  Non athletes with the same rating are admitted at .076 percent.  More than a thousand times less.

Ivy League athletes are [b]65% white[/b]

50 to 60 students in each admissions cycle are admitted on Harvard's z-list.

Harvard admitted that z-list admits have pre-college academic records more comparable to rejected students are perform far worse than other admitted students.

Z list admits for Harvard classes 2014-2019 are [b]70% white[/b].

Are you a racist?  who knows?  but pulling out one hook and presenting it as the 'most pertinent' factor when you have others that are, at the very least, equally pertinent, but are markedly in favor of white applicants, is well, telling.

My opinion:  I'd much rather be a white athlete, white rich kid or white legacy than a URM when applying.

BTW - the 1995-2013 admit rates by race at Harvard  are

13.2% African American
11.1% white
10.6% Hispanic
8.1% Asian

Who's really getting screwed here?[/quote]

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