Anonymous
05/25/2019 12:31
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
So rich kids from elite boarding schools are getting into Harvard?! What a surprise! And here I thought it was not about money.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 12:30
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
You know this is not true.
DP. You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true. The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering. And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median. The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.
Racist much?
Such an idiotic comment.....those are facts not opinions. And yes, it’s the exact same thing for athletes.
But I’ll add that the handicap for athletes, while significant, isn’t close to that for URMs.......and that’s before this adversity nonsense factors in.
What facts do you have?
"amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering" - how much?
"they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median." - how much?
"the handicap for athletes, while significant, isn’t close to that for URMs." - how much?
just because you assert conclusions as facts, doesn't make them facts. you have no support.
Some actual facts:
Recruited athletes are admitted to Harvard roughly 80 percent of the time.
Recruited athletes with an academic rating of 4 on Harvard's 1-6 scale are admitted at a rate of 70.46%. Non athletes with the same rating are admitted at .076 percent. More than a thousand times less.
Ivy League athletes are 65% white
50 to 60 students in each admissions cycle are admitted on Harvard's z-list.
Harvard admitted that z-list admits have pre-college academic records more comparable to rejected students are perform far worse than other admitted students.
Z list admits for Harvard classes 2014-2019 are 70% white.
Are you a racist? who knows? but pulling out one hook and presenting it as the 'most pertinent' factor when you have others that are, at the very least, equally pertinent, but are markedly in favor of white applicants, is well, telling.
My opinion: I'd much rather be a white athlete, white rich kid or white legacy than a URM when applying.
BTW - the 1995-2013 admit rates by race at Harvard are
13.2% African American
11.1% white
10.6% Hispanic
8.1% Asian
Who's really getting screwed here?
Hey genius, you do realize that Harvard only recruits athletes that have a high probability of gaining admission. The coach knows all of the candidates credentials before supporting their candidacy and will direct them to apply ED so obviously they’re going to have a high admit rate.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 11:34
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
You know this is not true.
DP. You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true. The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering. And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median. The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.
Racist much?
It's obviously the most important thing.
Do you ever notice the articles "Accepted to All Ivy League Schools" - when is that kid ever white?
The number of black kids who score a composite 2350 or above on the SAT is incredibly low - which is why when they are found - they are gold to any admission staff of a prestigious university.
And why is that a surprise? I read recently the number of Detroit Public School kids (think mostly black) who are at or above reading level in 4th grade is 5%. That's at or above. By 4th grade 95% are behind.
It's another reason why the "Accepted at All Ivy League" black kid is usually a kid of recent (one or two generation back) immigrants from Africa.
How many of these articles do you see? one or two a year? Way to extrapolate from isolated incidents.
Maybe you don't see this for white kids because they are recruited to a single school, apply ED because they are rich or to their parent's alma mater because they are legacy. They have no need to apply to all the schools.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 11:33
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not sure why people think that the post was racist. I am giving objective detailed data on the students accepted because otherwise stats mean very little. Also, these kids are not "academic drones". Many are accomplished kids with good EC's and participate in many real community service projects.
I am just saying that none of that seems to have helped them get into a top 20 school. Use the information as you will.
And btw, many universities like Brown have actually said they are trying to recruit more kids from Texas. I guess they are looking for a "different profile" than these kids.
Of course. You don't think anyone really wants your typical UMC white kids, do you? This is known.
there is another thread on this board about 2019 Whitman admits - 5% of the class is going to Ivy and even higher to top 25 schools. Whitman is 67% white and less than 10% black or Hispanic. UMC white kids are getting in.
Now if you argue they're athletes and legacies, then you should complain about that.
If you don't believe they are athletes and legacies, then UMC whites should admit that they problem is with their kid not the system (and little bit themselves since they're not legacies).
Nothing more irritating that UMC white people complaining they suffer from discrimination. Get a life.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 11:30
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
You know this is not true.
DP. You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true. The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering. And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median. The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.
Racist much?
Such an idiotic comment.....those are facts not opinions. And yes, it’s the exact same thing for athletes.
But I’ll add that the handicap for athletes, while significant, isn’t close to that for URMs.......and that’s before this adversity nonsense factors in.
What facts do you have?
"amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering" - how much?
"they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median." - how much?
"the handicap for athletes, while significant, isn’t close to that for URMs." - how much?
just because you assert conclusions as facts, doesn't make them facts. you have no support.
Some actual facts:
Recruited athletes are admitted to Harvard roughly 80 percent of the time.
Recruited athletes with an academic rating of 4 on Harvard's 1-6 scale are admitted at a rate of 70.46%. Non athletes with the same rating are admitted at .076 percent. More than a thousand times less.
Ivy League athletes are 65% white
50 to 60 students in each admissions cycle are admitted on Harvard's z-list.
Harvard admitted that z-list admits have pre-college academic records more comparable to rejected students are perform far worse than other admitted students.
Z list admits for Harvard classes 2014-2019 are 70% white.
Are you a racist? who knows? but pulling out one hook and presenting it as the 'most pertinent' factor when you have others that are, at the very least, equally pertinent, but are markedly in favor of white applicants, is well, telling.
My opinion: I'd much rather be a white athlete, white rich kid or white legacy than a URM when applying.
BTW - the 1995-2013 admit rates by race at Harvard are
13.2% African American
11.1% white
10.6% Hispanic
8.1% Asian
Who's really getting screwed here?
Anonymous
05/25/2019 10:30
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
Yes. If you’re Asian you are disadvantaged compared to whites. But that’s always been true.
There are ORM and URM. If race wasn’t a factor in admissions, people would not be rushing to tick the URM boxes. This is not being racist - this is just a fact in college admissions. And in the case of Harvard, Asians are the new Jews but look so completely different and stereotyped as robotic.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 10:18
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
You know this is not true.
DP. You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true. The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering. And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median. The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.
Racist much?
It's obviously the most important thing.
Do you ever notice the articles "Accepted to All Ivy League Schools" - when is that kid ever white?
The number of black kids who score a composite 2350 or above on the SAT is incredibly low - which is why when they are found - they are gold to any admission staff of a prestigious university.
And why is that a surprise? I read recently the number of Detroit Public School kids (think mostly black) who are at or above reading level in 4th grade is 5%. That's at or above. By 4th grade 95% are behind.
It's another reason why the "Accepted at All Ivy League" black kid is usually a kid of recent (one or two generation back) immigrants from Africa.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 10:18
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? It's interesting.
No it isn’t. It is creepy and borderline racist. “Half Asian?”
This OP has spent easy to much time dissecting the stats and outcomes of 500 kids.
What do you call the race of a person who has an Asian Parent and a White Parent?
biracial
Asian American
Anonymous
05/25/2019 10:11
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? It's interesting.
No it isn’t. It is creepy and borderline racist. “Half Asian?”
This OP has spent easy to much time dissecting the stats and outcomes of 500 kids.
What do you call the race of a person who has an Asian Parent and a White Parent?
If Obama is the "first black president" - then that kid is Asian period. White is ignored.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 08:29
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most veterans to this forum know this already, but I thought, I would share the results of this year's admission at my kids school.
School is a well rated (but not top) public school in a suburb of Texas. I would say in the top 25% of all high schools in Texas. around 70% white. About 5% Asian.
Class strength around 550
Offers a lot of AP classes. Total NMSF: around 20
Total AP scholars around 100, AP scholars with distinction: around 70, National AP scholars: around 15
School ranks students as per Texas state requirements
This year here is the haul from Private Universities: Students who applied to the top 25 private universities were usually in the top10% of class. Around 60 students or so applied to top 25 private universities
3 students made it to one of top 10 schools. 1 to top 10 LAC. (1 half Asian-half white, 2 Asian, 1 Hispanic)
Everybody else pretty much got denied or waitlisted
Most of the gifted kids are going to UT Austin.
All top 5 kids got rejected from Harvard and Stanford. All four who got in were in the top 10 ranks of this school. If your school is anywhere close to this profile, I suspect this may be how things may be shaking out at your school too. Just we aware and plan accordingly. Don't be overly optimistic.
so in other words, elite means.... wait for it.... elite.
Meaning, children of the true elite. Not the UMC or unknown rich but children of parents who have big names in tech, finance, celebrity, and politics.
The average HHI of Harvard students is 168k......hardly that of your stupid fantasy world portrayal.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 08:27
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not sure why people think that the post was racist. I am giving objective detailed data on the students accepted because otherwise stats mean very little. Also, these kids are not "academic drones". Many are accomplished kids with good EC's and participate in many real community service projects.
I am just saying that none of that seems to have helped them get into a top 20 school. Use the information as you will.
And btw, many universities like Brown have actually said they are trying to recruit more kids from Texas. I guess they are looking for a "different profile" than these kids.
Of course. You don't think anyone really wants your typical UMC white kids, do you? This is known.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 08:22
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most veterans to this forum know this already, but I thought, I would share the results of this year's admission at my kids school.
School is a well rated (but not top) public school in a suburb of Texas. I would say in the top 25% of all high schools in Texas. around 70% white. About 5% Asian.
Class strength around 550
Offers a lot of AP classes. Total NMSF: around 20
Total AP scholars around 100, AP scholars with distinction: around 70, National AP scholars: around 15
School ranks students as per Texas state requirements
This year here is the haul from Private Universities: Students who applied to the top 25 private universities were usually in the top10% of class. Around 60 students or so applied to top 25 private universities
3 students made it to one of top 10 schools. 1 to top 10 LAC. (1 half Asian-half white, 2 Asian, 1 Hispanic)
Everybody else pretty much got denied or waitlisted
Most of the gifted kids are going to UT Austin.
All top 5 kids got rejected from Harvard and Stanford. All four who got in were in the top 10 ranks of this school. If your school is anywhere close to this profile, I suspect this may be how things may be shaking out at your school too. Just we aware and plan accordingly. Don't be overly optimistic.
so in other words, elite means.... wait for it.... elite.
Meaning, children of the true elite. Not the UMC or unknown rich but children of parents who have big names in tech, finance, celebrity, and politics.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 08:20
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
You know this is not true.
DP. You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true. The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering. And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median. The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.
Racist much?
Such an idiotic comment.....those are facts not opinions. And yes, it’s the exact same thing for athletes.
But I’ll add that the handicap for athletes, while significant, isn’t close to that for URMs.......and that’s before this adversity nonsense factors in.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 08:18
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
You know this is not true.
DP. You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true. The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering. And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median. The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.
Racist much?
Such an idiotic comment.....those are facts not opinions. And yes, it’s the exact same thing for athletes.
Anonymous
05/25/2019 08:14
Subject: This should tell you how elite college admissions really are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I stopped reading after the OP mentioned the race and ethnicity of the students going to top 10 colleges.
Why? That’s probably the most pertinent fact in college admissions these days
You know this is not true.
DP. You’re kidding yourself if you think this isn’t true. The amount of effort and money the elites pour into scouring the country for black and Latino applicants that are even remotely qualified is staggering. And that’s just the beginning because they pour an equal amount of resources into ensuring they graduate at a rate that is somewhat comparable to the median. The entire admissions and retention effort is social justice kabuki and nobody has any idea if it makes a difference at all.
Your statement is true if you substitute “athletes” and they are usually a higher percentage of admits, have a much higher admit percentage and are mostly white. That is the single biggest factor in elite college admissions.