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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.[/quote]

Do you mean this quote:

[i]Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”. [/i]

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote. [/quote]

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.[/quote]

How is it intrinsically sinful? [/quote]

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?[/quote]

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord?  No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.[/quote]

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends? [/quote]

My beliefs are not "picky-choosy interpretations."   My beliefs are based on the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.[/quote]

Ah - extra-Biblical beliefs.  So this means all those gay ans sexually abusive priests are going to hell, and all the clerics who covered up for them too.[/quote]

I am happy for abusive priests to go to hell.  Of course, that’s not mynpurview.[/quote]

What IS in your purview? I hope you aren’t working with young people and infecting them with homophobia.

I’m a straight, middle aged, actively-Catholic mom and I find your views on homosexuality repugnant. [/quote]

You sound like a cafeteria Catholic.   You can get better if you work at it.

I would never humiliate a child, or tread them with anything other than dignity and kindness.   But I wouldn't mislead them either on the sinful nature of homosexual unions.

Unlike you, I am a practicing Catholic.

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.[/quote]

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