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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

My beliefs are not "picky-choosy interpretations." My beliefs are based on the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Ah - extra-Biblical beliefs. So this means all those gay ans sexually abusive priests are going to hell, and all the clerics who covered up for them too.

I am happy for abusive priests to go to hell. Of course, that’s not mynpurview.

What IS in your purview? I hope you aren’t working with young people and infecting them with homophobia.

I’m a straight, middle aged, actively-Catholic mom and I find your views on homosexuality repugnant.

You sound like a cafeteria Catholic. You can get better if you work at it.

I would never humiliate a child, or tread them with anything other than dignity and kindness. But I wouldn't mislead them either on the sinful nature of homosexual unions.

Unlike you, I am a practicing Catholic.

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

My beliefs are not "picky-choosy interpretations." My beliefs are based on the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Ah - extra-Biblical beliefs. So this means all those gay ans sexually abusive priests are going to hell, and all the clerics who covered up for them too.

I am happy for abusive priests to go to hell. Of course, that’s not mynpurview.

What IS in your purview? I hope you aren’t working with young people and infecting them with homophobia.

I’m a straight, middle aged, actively-Catholic mom and I find your views on homosexuality repugnant.

Don't pet the trolls.

What Fr. Martin has said about gay marriage, LGBT issues and the Catholic church isn't very confusing at all.

He has NEVER said the Church should allow gay marriage. What he does say and push the church to do it acknowledge that there are gay members of the church and same sex families. They need to be part of the church community and not hidden, forgotten or ignored. These are families just like any other family and they need ministry. They have children that need pastoral care just like any other Catholic child. That is a wonderful message to send and truly living a life of Christ. He can support Buttigieg's marriage and family because he strictly follows: Love one another as I have loved you.

Also, of course he loves Jesuit schools. He is a Jesuit! They are fantastic. For 99% of the country outside of the DCUM bubble they don't remember where Kavanaugh went to school or care. He can support Jesuit schools (why should Dowling in Iowa be tarred by GP?) and not actually be supporting Kavanaugh. But people are so blinded by their own views that they can't see straight.

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Anonymous wrote:He is a kind, compassionate and open minded person. Priests like him are bringing people back to God.

Plus a million.

Well, he's certainly bringing them . .somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

My beliefs are not "picky-choosy interpretations." My beliefs are based on the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Ah - extra-Biblical beliefs. So this means all those gay ans sexually abusive priests are going to hell, and all the clerics who covered up for them too.

I am happy for abusive priests to go to hell. Of course, that’s not mynpurview.

What IS in your purview? I hope you aren’t working with young people and infecting them with homophobia.

I’m a straight, middle aged, actively-Catholic mom and I find your views on homosexuality repugnant.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

My beliefs are not "picky-choosy interpretations." My beliefs are based on the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Ah - extra-Biblical beliefs. So this means all those gay ans sexually abusive priests are going to hell, and all the clerics who covered up for them too.

I am happy for abusive priests to go to hell. Of course, that’s not mynpurview.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

My beliefs are not "picky-choosy interpretations." My beliefs are based on the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Ah - extra-Biblical beliefs. So this means all those gay ans sexually abusive priests are going to hell, and all the clerics who covered up for them too.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

My beliefs are not "picky-choosy interpretations." My beliefs are based on the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Anonymous wrote:James Martin wants gay marriage in the Catholic Church. He is a heretic.

Please provide a citation to this assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:He like most people has some things right and some things wrong.

His work to build a bridge the lgbt community is very good but he plays it very safe.

He wrote this book.... https://www.amazon.com/Building-Bridge-Relationship-Compassion-Sensitivity/dp/0062694316

He is Jesuit ... so is Prep... he strongly supported Kavanaugh. He blocked anybody that had anything intelligent to say about their negative interactions with boys that attended various Jesuit all boy schools. He blocks trolls ... that make sense but anybody that had a negative comment.???

He lost a lot of followers and lots of credibility.

He also is the editor of the American magazine.

Follow him on twitter or Facebook and decide for yourself.

He supported Kavanaugh until Dr. Blasey testified, at which time America Magazine (he is the editor at large) and the Jesuits withdrew their support.

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/09/27/editors-it-time-kavanaugh-nomination-be-withdrawn

https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/fr-james-martin-even-the-disciples-dismissed-the-testimonies-of-credible-women/

Yes for the nomination.

But the idea that the Jesuits need to do something about the morals at the all boys Jesuit schools ... not so much.

I’m not in the position to find the article but right after dr. Fords testimony there was an article about there is nothing wrong with the all boys Jesuit school.. never have been.

Renata would disagree.

Now you are moving the goalposts. You wrote above that he "strongly supported Kavanaugh." He did not.

He did strongly support K, then he walked it back. Now he supports him again.

Then... during the hearing, he posted an article about how wonderful Jesuit schools are... when thousands of women were sharing their stories of boys from Prep and similar schools who sexually assaulted them. A man came forward telling his story that Prep lied to police about him... told the police he was troubled and a drug addict and got students to tell the police the same thing so they could not convict his teacher rapist.

It was a terrible decision to post that article at that time and when he was told that he blocked users from FB and twitter. he never apologized about that.

I support his efforts to "build a bridge" to LGBT Catholics... but he has a huge blind spot when it comes to all boy Jesuit schools and their leadership.

Citation please.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

+1

Honestly, I have a hard time thinking that God is going to send a man to Hell because he married another man. Jesus spent pretty much no time condemning homosexuality, but he said an awful lot about helping the poor, welcoming the stranger, and lifting up the oppressed. Those things are hard, though, so it's not surprising that a lot of people would rather fixate on policing people's sex lives, which is more exciting and a lot easier. Specks and planks, people.

Also, hoping that the Church's teaching on same-sex marriage changes isn't heresy. Not all teachings are dogma. Teachings changes. The Church used to condone slavery; now it does not. It used to permit capital punishment in some circumstances; now it does not. It used to teach that all non-Catholics were doomed to Hell; now it teaches that non-Catholics may be saved through grace even if they are not formally part of the Church. It used to ban charging interest for loans; now it does not. The idea of a separation between Church and State used to be called the "Americanist heresy," and now it's doctrine. The Church used to permit the sale of indulgences and taught that they were efficacious for the forgiveness of sins; now it does not. The idea that the Church might someday recognize same-sex marriage is not, to me, problematic at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

If you believe it. A lot of Christians do and a lot don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Fr Martin’s quote has been exposed here his supporters will scamper away.

Do you mean this quote:

Next, when speaking to a male questioner recently, Martin expressed the “hope [that] in 10 years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband”.

I had never heard of him before this thread, but I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life and I don’t see anything wrong with that quote.

Acceptable!?! It is an intrinsically sinful union.

How is it intrinsically sinful?

I should add that I do not support abortion because the fetus is obviously killed and women are often harmed psychologically and sometimes physically. Typically because we as a society refuse to offer financial support to poor children.

I do not support the death penalty or euthanasia because they also take lives, typically people we as a society find inconvenient to have in our midst.

Who is harmed when two men marry?

Are you a humanist or a Catholic?

What man is harmed when you slander the Lord? No man directly.

God’s law is violated when two men marry and the victims are the men themselves who may face eternal damnation.

So no intrinsic harm. Only picky-choosy interpretations from the Old Testament. Do you eschew shellfish? Never indulge in a bacon cheeseburger? Not wear wool and linen blends?

James Martin wants gay marriage in the Catholic Church. He is a heretic.

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Anonymous wrote:He like most people has some things right and some things wrong.

His work to build a bridge the lgbt community is very good but he plays it very safe.

He wrote this book.... https://www.amazon.com/Building-Bridge-Relationship-Compassion-Sensitivity/dp/0062694316

He is Jesuit ... so is Prep... he strongly supported Kavanaugh. He blocked anybody that had anything intelligent to say about their negative interactions with boys that attended various Jesuit all boy schools. He blocks trolls ... that make sense but anybody that had a negative comment.???

He lost a lot of followers and lots of credibility.

He also is the editor of the American magazine.

Follow him on twitter or Facebook and decide for yourself.

He supported Kavanaugh until Dr. Blasey testified, at which time America Magazine (he is the editor at large) and the Jesuits withdrew their support.

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/09/27/editors-it-time-kavanaugh-nomination-be-withdrawn

https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/fr-james-martin-even-the-disciples-dismissed-the-testimonies-of-credible-women/

Yes for the nomination.

But the idea that the Jesuits need to do something about the morals at the all boys Jesuit schools ... not so much.

I’m not in the position to find the article but right after dr. Fords testimony there was an article about there is nothing wrong with the all boys Jesuit school.. never have been.

Renata would disagree.

Now you are moving the goalposts. You wrote above that he "strongly supported Kavanaugh." He did not.

He did strongly support K, then he walked it back. Now he supports him again.

Then... during the hearing, he posted an article about how wonderful Jesuit schools are... when thousands of women were sharing their stories of boys from Prep and similar schools who sexually assaulted them. A man came forward telling his story that Prep lied to police about him... told the police he was troubled and a drug addict and got students to tell the police the same thing so they could not convict his teacher rapist.

It was a terrible decision to post that article at that time and when he was told that he blocked users from FB and twitter. he never apologized about that.

I support his efforts to "build a bridge" to LGBT Catholics... but he has a huge blind spot when it comes to all boy Jesuit schools and their leadership.