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They may not be correct, but they are having an enormous influence - and no human force, so far, is impeding them.  Is there anything in the Bible about when or how they will be spewn out?[/quote]

I don’t know any verses about God spewing out false teachers, but [b]I know for a fact that at the judgement, God will say to them “depart from me I never knew you”.[/b] It isn’t a guarantee that false teachers will be called out during their life, but they will face judgement.[/quote]

You are a Biblical literalist, right?[/quote]

Yes for the most part. Not for everything of course.[/quote]

So you know that many people, some who are deeply religious , could disagree with your "facts" that come straight out of the bible[/quote]

Yes that’s what most of the discussion in this thread is about. I’m not sure what your point is.[/quote]

As a Bible literalist, your "facts" are questioned or simply not believed by lots of other Christians who also consider the Bible to be a holy book.   Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "I firmly believe...." instead of "I know for a fact...."[/quote]

I firmly believe that Matthew 7:21-23 does for a fact say, “21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, [b]I never knew you: depart from me[/b], ye that work iniquity.”

Yes I get that not everyone is a literalist, I was just quoting a verse.[b] If you want to take these verses metaphorically or symbolically that’s your choice[/b], although I wouldn’t see why in this case.[/quote]

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Another choice is fictional -- that the Bible is a book of stories, that, like most stories, has some historical elements.[/quote]

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Progressive Christians like the dean will often use the terms "metaphor" or "symbolic" to characterize Bible stories as having value despite not being factual.   They don't use the word "fiction" I don't think, but it is another way of saying that these are stories, that don't need to be factual have value.[/quote]

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That’s what I don’t get about Christians who believe Bible stories have good messages but aren’t actually true. If the Bible stories are just teaching moral messages that even nonchristians believe in, like love and respect, then what is the point of calling yourself Christian then? What then is the differentiation between Christians and nonchristians?
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Everyone picks and chooses what to take literally and what to interpret as metaphor (or no longer applicable Old Testament law) in the Bible. Every single Christian. Have you ever met a "Biblical literalist" who owns two coats? Jesus said to give one away. Literal instruction from Jesus. Believing in the existence of dinosaurs that existed millions of years ago over the "young earth" Biblical timeline is another common example.

The point of calling myself a Christian is to live my life guided by Jesus's incarnation, teachings, death, and resurrection - what He shows about how God loves us and wants us to love each other. The rest is just details.

As for "just stories," I'd recommend reading C.S. Lewis's essay on myth. He says myth is something much greater than fiction vs nonfiction, true vs false, that fulfills a great human need, and argues that Jesus fulfills myth by joining it with history. I read it as a teenager so it's been a while, but it had a big influence on me at the time.[/quote]

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