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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Topic: Minorities almost never file the appeals that can help secure their admission to AAP

This is just a statement!

What is the question? What are we discussing?[/quote]

We are discussing why that might be the case. [/quote]

So you are throwing a NOT well documented article, based on subjectivity and hear say, to a bunch of people who most likely do not have the required specific case knowledge and qualifications to discuss this properly, so you can figure out why this issue (for which you don't even have proof) exists?

If you believe that this issue exists, what are you personally doing to help and ensure that this problem is resolved? How did you come to this belief and how did you ensure that you are actually dealing with an issue? [/quote]

The WaPo article pointed to an AP investigation, which is also described in this article.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/school-systems-appeals-process-leaves-some-minorities-out/2018/02/03/1dbc302c-08eb-11e8-aa61-f3391373867e_story.html?utm_term=.e86b2b3f05f7

Actually, although I understand that this is expensive, the obvious answer seems to be to administer a WISC or other formal IQ test to all in pool candidates -- perhaps even lowering the pool cutoff to 130 or 128 on either test or any subscore in order to capture the largest number of students.  [/quote]

[u]Using the Virginia Freedom of Information Act to obtain 10 years of county records [/u][b](does not say from which year to which year. It does not mean that they received/analyzed all 10 years of those data)[/b], The Associated Press found that [u]fewer than 50 black and Hispanic second-graders have filed successful appeals. That’s less than 3 percent of the 1,737 second-graders admitted through the appeals process, further skewing a program already heavily weighted toward whites and Asians.[/u] [b]It does not say how many appeals are filed from those racial minorities, and what is the successful PERCENTAGE.[/b]

Fairfax County has the nation’s 10th largest public school system, with more than 188,000 students. [u]Of those, 25 percent are Hispanic and 10 percent are African-American. But over the last 10 years, blacks and Hispanics have constituted only 12 percent of the students deemed eligible for Level IV, the most advanced academic program.[/u] [b]This is NOT an apples to apples comparison. If you want to make the correct comparison you have to slice the data correctly. If skin color is NOT the requirement, then you have to see how many kids are admitted and regulate for ethnicity, income, parents'' level of education, and a lot of other factors. This rate can also be compared to the national rate, and to national demographics. Also, these numbers do NOT clarify the percentage of in-pool/parent referral by race and ethnicity. That would shine some light on how many kids are in-pool vs. parent pushed vs. teacher pushed [/b]

Notably, [u]the data show that when black and Hispanic students do submit intelligence tests, they are just as likely to gain admission as their white and Asian counterparts. The problem is that black and Hispanic students only rarely submit appeals.[/u] [b]It does not discuss when they are submitting the intelligence tests, whether these kids are in/out of pool, and which tests those may be, and what are the cutoffs for different ethnicities/demographics. It does not explain how the intelligence tests are linked to the appeals process [/b]

SO, in conclusion, this is a phony article, designed to stir things up without merit. IF there any merit, the article would not have any gaps in explaining all the needed details. 
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