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I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.[/quote]

Sure, that is what you want. 
But employers want and, more importantly, USA needs people who WILL work 80 hours a week instead of attending family events.
Who have more than enough for rest of their lives and still want only one thing - MORE.
Because the Intels and Yahoos and Googles are not built by those who spend their workdays looking at the clock to not miss their kids baseball.
So Trump will NOT abolish H-1B visas, in fact (just announced) the number for next FY will be exactly same as last year. 
Some excesses, abuses, and document frauds may well be curtailed and total numbers cut some. I fully support that. [/quote]

You are delusional. I have many friends at google and intel. None are working 80 hrs. And all make their kids games. Is that the song and dance infosys sells to keep its employees in line, this false dream to work at a real tech company?[/quote]
I have worked at one of those high tech companies that is being referenced here.  Most allow flexible working hours, so you can often end up working more than 40 hrs/week (probably not 80 though) because many typically work at night from home after the kids have gone to bed.  And I have seen emails being sent on the weekend.  This is how they make their kids' games, school activities, etc...

H1Bs who want a green card are indentured servants, though. I've had many close friends come over as H1Bs and then apply for GC.

That said, they really should put a $ cut off for H1B workers.  Any job that pays less than $100K cannot use H1Bs.  However, if this had applied several years, Melania Trump would not have been able to come into the US to work (though some say she worked here illegally anyways prior to the H1B).  Models get paid by gigs, and agencies don't guarantee a fixed wage.  But, I'm sure Trump will make exceptions for the modeling industry.[/quote]

Agreed, 40 hour weeks and clock watching are not normal Google or the like. They do work 'all the time' in the flex schedule way, but total hours won't be 80. Usually more than 40 but not insane because their creative prowess is what makes them valuable not grinding widget hours.

A ceiling floor makes sense -- if these are coveted unfillable technical roles, a high salary should be baked in. This will help flush out the line staff roles they import for middling wages. And they won't outsource this work bc at the end of the day they need control of the data and infrastructure, it is their life blood and very very valuable. [b]Opening it up to a contractors office in bangelore, leaving the welcome mat out for cybercrime and industrial espionage.  This isn't like the call centers of 'Outsourced', these are says admins, DBAs, keeping the systems they depend on to run their business with very valuable data. They want it domestic and under tight access control, hence the H1Bs. If they can't get cheap labor they will pay more bc the risk of outsourcing is too great.[/b] [/quote]
PP here.  I disagree with the bolded.

Many of those high tech companies use offshore models for managing their internal data already.  Some even offshore admin work -- things like month end close, billing, collection, etc to places like the Philippines.  I've worked with some of them.  They work US hours.   I predict if the H1B is cut dramatically for the under $100K jobs, many of the larger companies will offshore more work. It's a cost cutting move, pure and simple.[/quote]

I disagree.  I have seen 2 different projects outsource and then reverse action.  People need to be onsite for part of the week.

Maybe trivial stuff, but any development or support, of any complexity or significant risk, will be done in US.  We have used NetAPP and IBM and both have in USA support staff for 24 by 7 support.  US guy may call indian guy, but we as customers go through US based guy.  Then for our own systems, there is no way we would have off site dbas and unix admins in remote non-USA locations.  And as for development, our management already tried it, and is bringing work back home.  It was a failure to outsource development.   The code was poorly written and did not meant requirements, industry is going to agile, which is complete opposite of outsourcing via contract.

If H1B has a salary limit, it will mean more H1Bs are for high skilled labor going to US corporations, which is what it was meant to be.[/quote]
Oracle sent their entire development unit offshore a while ago (and yes, quality did suffer, but it's still there).  DBA and sys admins may not go offshore, and the offshore company will always have a represtentative in the US, but a lot of the support and low level development will go.

Yes, some companies are bringing back from offshore, and part of it is due to work quality but the other part is due to higher wages now in India. It's not as cheap as it used to be, but still cheaper than here.

And Agile doesn't work for certain types of systems. This is a whole other conversation, though.

Like I stated, more and more companies are outsourcing even some of their low level admin work.[/quote]

Oracle? That dinosaur is dying and living off of legacy contracts and systems; of course they would gamble with the Crown Jewels to cut costs, its all they can do. Cloud is going to devour them in a decade. [/quote]
Maybe, but the point is that several big high tech companies have and will offshore. Oracle did it years ago; what makes you think eventually some of the other bigger companies won't eventually do it?  Oracle was just an example.[/quote]

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