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[quote=Anonymous][twitter][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][twitter]https://x.com/samadlerbell/status/1989017494900572459?s=46&t=kf1qYlCXQnKgUhJWEIu2vg[/twitter][/quote]

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick. [/quote]

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

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The reference to history confuses me.

We also used to let children work in coal mines. And men could beat their wives with no repercussions. Masters could rape their slaves. In some countries, honor killings of daughters by fathers is accepted.

Society, hopefully evolves. Women have more of a voice now. We have options beyond getting married to support ourselves.

What once was should definitely NOT be our touchstone.[/quote]

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