Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:38     Subject: Re:Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.


I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.


Would be interested in your take on the NYT article about Matt Gaetz today. Matt Gaetz who Trump wanted to be in charge of whether any of this information ever saw the light of day. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/13/us/politics/in-matt-gaetz-scandal-circumstances-left-girl-vulnerable-to-exploitation.html



And this is why we should not go along with euphemisms like “sugaring” and “sugar sites.”

These girls are so desperate, they have to rent out their bodies by the hour.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:37     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:So in 2016, it wasn't Hillary's emails and a democrat child pedo ring being run out of a non-existent comet Pizza basement, but rather that was projection, as usual, as evidenced by the Epstein emails and the actual child pedo ring.


Everything Trump and supporters say is a projection. We figured this out during the first term and yet he still kept on being allowed to run by the GOP.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:36     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/robertscotthorton.bsky.social/post/3m5hnfutw322u

The Kremlin disguised a nearly $100 mn payment to Trump in the form of a brokered real estate deal... and both Jeffrey Epstein and William Pulte were involved in the deal.


I don’t have Bluesky. Is this the Florida mansion a Russian overpaid for in 2017?


Not surprising.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:29     Subject: Re:Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.


I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.


Would be interested in your take on the NYT article about Matt Gaetz today. Matt Gaetz who Trump wanted to be in charge of whether any of this information ever saw the light of day. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/13/us/politics/in-matt-gaetz-scandal-circumstances-left-girl-vulnerable-to-exploitation.html



Super tragic.

And how very telling that this was Donald Trump’s first choice for attorney general.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:15     Subject: Re:Epstein Files

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.


I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.



The reference to history confuses me.

We also used to let children work in coal mines. And men could beat their wives with no repercussions. Masters could rape their slaves. In some countries, honor killings of daughters by fathers is accepted.

Society, hopefully evolves. Women have more of a voice now. We have options beyond getting married to support ourselves.

What once was should definitely NOT be our touchstone.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:13     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:Simple question: if there was something so damning about Trump in the files, why hasnt some mole, former FBI agent, former DOJ prosecutor or anyone else teased or leaked it? The former administration had access to these files and presumably dozens of people reviewed them, yet not one peep about anything… (and I can’t stand Trump)


Because it implicates crimes that go beyond child rape and people are worried they'll be killed if they are the ones who leak it. Let's be real - our country doesn't care that much about girls. Old men raping 15 year olds isn't enough to get people killed. This is going to be a Pandora's box of crimes once the lid is off.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:09     Subject: Epstein Files

So in 2016, it wasn't Hillary's emails and a democrat child pedo ring being run out of a non-existent comet Pizza basement, but rather that was projection, as usual, as evidenced by the Epstein emails and the actual child pedo ring.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:07     Subject: Re:Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.


I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.



These were not teens marrying men in their twenties.

These were traumatized, vulnerable girls being coerced into performing sexual acts on old men that probably revolted them. (Some had been victims of incest, recently lost their fathers, were seeking medical care for their mothers with cancer, financially destitute). It definitely sick to think you’ve hit the sexual jackpot when you meet an adolescent under those conditions.

PP knows more about the legalities of sexual abuse. But there is no debating that these were sick, selfish men who got off by children who were beaten down. Call it what you will.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:06     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:Simple question: if there was something so damning about Trump in the files, why hasnt some mole, former FBI agent, former DOJ prosecutor or anyone else teased or leaked it? The former administration had access to these files and presumably dozens of people reviewed them, yet not one peep about anything… (and I can’t stand Trump)



Because ironically the DOJ wasn’t politicized previously. People did not leak for fear of losing their jobs. Also Trump is super litigious and always has been. Also our society really doesn’t care about sex crimes against women. Look at how people have commented on the E Jean Carroll case. Society sh*ts on women/girls who are abused because somehow they think they asked for it.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 16:02     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/robertscotthorton.bsky.social/post/3m5hnfutw322u

The Kremlin disguised a nearly $100 mn payment to Trump in the form of a brokered real estate deal... and both Jeffrey Epstein and William Pulte were involved in the deal.


I don’t have Bluesky. Is this the Florida mansion a Russian overpaid for in 2017?



You can click on the link and still see the post. I don’t have blue sky or Twitter but can usually see posts linked here in a browser.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 15:59     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised at the number of suicides related to the Epstein files: Guiffre, Epstein, and Brunel (the French modeling agency owner who sent Epstein 1000 girls including his pre-teen nieces).


“Suicides”
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 15:56     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/robertscotthorton.bsky.social/post/3m5hnfutw322u

The Kremlin disguised a nearly $100 mn payment to Trump in the form of a brokered real estate deal... and both Jeffrey Epstein and William Pulte were involved in the deal.

Email in question. This was reported when Trump was first running but I didn’t know Pulte was involved.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 15:56     Subject: Epstein Files

Simple question: if there was something so damning about Trump in the files, why hasnt some mole, former FBI agent, former DOJ prosecutor or anyone else teased or leaked it? The former administration had access to these files and presumably dozens of people reviewed them, yet not one peep about anything… (and I can’t stand Trump)
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 15:56     Subject: Epstein Files

Anonymous wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/robertscotthorton.bsky.social/post/3m5hnfutw322u

The Kremlin disguised a nearly $100 mn payment to Trump in the form of a brokered real estate deal... and both Jeffrey Epstein and William Pulte were involved in the deal.


I don’t have Bluesky. Is this the Florida mansion a Russian overpaid for in 2017?

Anonymous
Post 11/13/2025 15:54     Subject: Epstein Files

Thank god that PP is a former prosecutor. Holy crap.