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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Its sounding like Russia has fire control over the last road into Avdeeka. Ukraine is shifting the 47th and 82nd to that front as well.

Surely Ukraine realizes its waltzing into another Bakhmut? But then again, when you believe your own propaganda, you're bound to make big mistakes. [/quote]

This has been an incredibly costly offensive for Russians. They've lost thousands of soldiers and hundreds of pieces of equipment. The Ukrainians are fighting from well-established defensive positions. Russians are advancing over heavily-mined open fields. Artillery is dialed in. They are getting obliterated.

Will they ultimately take Avdiivka? Probably. But they're resorting to using human waves of poorly equipped and untrained soldiers. The Chechens have been brought in to shoot Russians that retreat and there are now reports of soldiers refusing orders. It's certain death for them on that front. But Putin wants this victory before winter sets in. And Ukraine has decided that if Russians are willing to get destroyed here, they'll oblige them.

In the end, like Bakhmut, Avdiiivka will be just another pile of rubble. The Russian military will be significantly depleted. And the rest of the world will be left to wonder why are Russians so willing to die? It's roughly a quarter million casualties and counting so far for what was supposed to be a three day operation to take Ukraine. It's been a strategic catastrophe for Russia for which NATO will be forever grateful. [/quote]

This is what happens when Ukrainians believe their own propaganda. You all still think Bakhmut was some big win where you ground down the Russians, instead of being a complete disaster that cost Ukraine 70,000+ soldiers. The propaganda is stale as well, with "meat waves" making a comeback. Are "meat cubes" and mobile crematoriums coming back too?

Avdeeka is shaping up exactly the same, in which you claim to be killing/destroying far more Russian assets than you actually are without counting the costs either. If Ukraine continues to pour men and material into a lost cause, they will suffer the same disproportionate loses here as well.

At this point, its hard not to argue that Zelensky is purposely getting as many Ukrainians killed as possible. [/quote]

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