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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Our kid has been working from home since well before Covid.  When she and her husband decided to have kids they lined up child care first - the grandparents when the kids were babies and a preschool/daycare once they were toddlers.   It never occurred to her for a second that she could watch her kids at home herself and work at the same time.  It’s not fair to anyone involved.

Time to return to reality, ladies.  [/quote]

Ugh this is such sexist garbage. As PPs have explained the issue isn’t people trying to WAH with a toddler. It’s tacking on the commuting hours to the workday which = needing even more childcare (this is essentially a sudden pay cut — after care for 2 kids can be $700+ per month).

Also my DH works in private sector IT. He and many other *men* (and women) in his field are fully remote. My DH has enjoyed the work/life balance and being home to coach the kids sports after school, he helps cook dinner, etc.

So it’s not just “ladies” who care about being around for their kids. Sorry your daughter couldn’t find a better father for her kids if you think this way.[/quote]

“Couldn’t find a better father?” Really?  That is so rude and uncalled for.

Sorry your husband might be out of a job in IT and actually have to work? So many people I know in tech and IT are getting laid off and those who finally found new roles have a rude awakening.  One friend a PhD / MD but in biotech was laid off and is now complaining that he can’t pick his kids up at 3 and be done for the day, he now has to actually work!

Many people don’t have that same reality- talk to teachers, nurses, health aides, lawyers, etc, who have to be in the office or hospital.  They actually work when they are meant to instead of having “work / life balance” and go do the grocery run in the middle of the day?

Also it was your choice to live where you are living I am kind of sick of this commute business. I grew up
In a small town with mediocre schools so I could be close to my mom’s work.  I worked hard and got myself into a good college.  You don’t need a McMansion an hour from your job and if that’s what you want good for you but then stop complaining about the commute.

My husband and I live in a small house and we can both walk or bike to work.  Our child is in a good school although if we moved out the public schools are considered “better” but we made our choice.

If you aren’t happy with what is on offer then get a new job.  It’s a two way street.  [/quote]

I know I'm a million pages behind, but this comparison right here is not the same. Aside from lawyers (many of whom I know work from home and have flexible schedules and are also compensated very well), teachers, nurses and health aides have pretty flexible schedules. My school district has days off all the time (not including summer), and the parking lot is empty 20 minutes after school is over. This is nothing against teachers, but the argument here is 50 hours/week in the office with long commutes on both sides. We need to compare apples to apples here which this is not doing.[/quote]

Let’s set this record straight.

I’m a teacher. I do NOT have a flexible job when it comes to childcare. I often can’t take leave. My kid is sick? I need to go in because I can’t get a sub, so I have to rely on my small network. And doctors’ appts? I’m limited to Saturdays or appts after 4pm, which means I wait months to go. And my own children’s events? Forget about it. I’ve never made one since they are during school hours. I experience them through pictures other parents take. Again: limited subs.

And hours? I work over 60 a week. Minimum. I was at work at 6am this morning and left at 4. I brought home about 2-3 hours to prep for tomorrow. So when you saw me leave early? You didn’t know I ARRIVED early and still have work to do at home.

And commutes? I work 35 minutes from home.

So let’s avoid telling me I somehow have it so much easier than you. I don’t make assumptions about your job, so kindly don’t make assumptions about mine.[/quote]
DP, I would not call teaching a flexible job but I’m calling BS on the idea that you’re putting in a 60 hour work week. You can make legitimate points without relying on that kind of ridiculous exaggeration. [/quote]

I hate having my reality questioned by others. So here we go:

I collected 140 essays today, each 3-5 pages in length. Handwritten. I need to comment on each (let’s say 15 minutes minimum). So that’s 35 hours of grading if I take NO STOPS to eat, sleep, etc.

And I get 1 hour a day at work to plan, grade, email, eat lunch. Half the time it’s taken from me so I can sub another class. So: 35 work hours during which I can’t get anything done.

And I also have to plan lessons (5-6 hours a week), respond to approximately 120 emails a week, attend multiple team meetings, oh (let’s not forget) TEACH 25 classes a week.

So guess what? 60 is a good week. 70 hours is normal, too.

Don’t speak when you’re ignorant. It isn’t a good look.[/quote]
You’re going to double down with 70 hours a week? You just described actual teaching for 35 hours a week, which includes perhaps 1 hour per day for grading, responding to emails, etc., and then 5-6 hours of lesson planning a week, which is getting you to about a 40 hour work week, and then you threw 35 hours of grading per week on there. That isn’t real. If you are actually having to spend 70 hours per week on your job as a teacher you are woefully deficient at time management. [/quote]

I’ve seen this poster many times. She’s always about to quit. But never does.

I’m a burned out humanities teacher too but I do an adequate job in my 35-40 hour week. I keep encouraging this poster to take shortcuts and just do less. They would still be well above average!

But they are right about the lack of flexibility. That’s rough on teachers. [/quote]

But in a sense, you are proving my point about teaching. The only way to survive is to “do less.” Essentially, don’t do what I’m tasked to do: teach.

And you also mention you are burned out doing your 35-40 hours of “less”. What does that state about teaching?

I initially posted on this thread because PPs were saying that teachers don’t have the stress of commutes, childcare needs, and inflexible schedules. All of that isn’t true.

And when it turns to defending my profession, I’m going to do that. This site is notoriously anti-teacher, and I care enough about this profession to fight. There aren’t many of us left.[/quote]

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