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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.[/quote]

Because Russia changed that eight-year status quo with its invasion of the rest of Ukraine. Russia had most of Donbas and Crimea. And the West had let it slide without significant consequences - all of them; Obama, Trump, Merkel, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trudeau. If Russia hadn't invaded and sought to take Kyiv, the capital, they'd be doing just fine. Some skirmishing in Donbas. Some minor sanctions. But otherwise Russia would still get its oil revenue, most of Donbas would more or less be incorporated into Russia, and they'd hold on to a nice warm weather port on the Black Sea for its navy and Russian vacationers. 2014 was a total win for Russia. If Russians were smart, they would have enjoyed their victory and that would be that.

Instead, Russians made a colossal mistake by invading the rest of Ukraine. And Ukrainians fought back, destroying its Spetsnaz, paratroopers, and much of the initial armor in the first weeks. Absolutely legendary. But one year later the war has settled into a kind of stalemate. And it's not remotely sustainable. So far, in one year, somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have died. The civilian casualties are unknowable until there's an accounting of what happened in Mariupol, but it's well into the thousands. For comparison, the US lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam over twenty years. The war Russia launched against Ukraine cannot settle into a stalemate. The costs in human lives have been too large. There will be a winner and a loser. Because there is no alternative.

So far, the Biden administration and its NATO allies have navigated this pretty well. Freedom and self-determination on one side. Imperialism and genocide on the other. But no one wanst American or NATO soldiers fighting in Ukraine. So it's a thread the needle situation. This is a problem without an easy solution.

Think the real fear is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine becomes an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand situation. The Law of Unintended Consequences looms large here..

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The Spring offensive will collapse what is left of the Russian army.[/quote]

I'd like to think so. I follow this pretty closely. But I am not so sanguine. Russian artillery is for real.

But Russian men seem to be fine with dying. They are like atheist ISIS. I don't mean this unkindly, but Russian men are genuine weirdos. Take a gander at the 18 + Ukraine war stuff on certain popular websites

It is horrible.

As I always tell the youngsters, don't fight crazy. But Russians are like the crackheads of the world. Bit of a problem [/quote]

Slavic men and women as a whole are weirdos

Let’s be 100% honest

If you’ve spent any time out east, you know this regardless of their personal politics that it is a totally different civilization post church split.

this is why biden’s policy is the best. He’s optimally letting both sides grind each other down

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Am half-Slavic. Used to live in that part of the world. Please don't equate Russians with Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, and Ukrainians. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Very much not the same. [/quote]

DP but it’s funny. It’s what other Slavs like to think but they are all children of the communism. Some a little more than others but essentially the same. But whatever makes you feel better :)[/quote]

Fair enough. Communism was a cancerous distortion for every Eastern and Central European country. But that was thirty years ago. Always have to ask - who are the baddies today? There are solid reason why Poles and Czechs don't care for Russia. And there really isn't any cultural affinity - Austro-Hungarian Empire, Catholicism, 1968, Solidarity etc etc. Trust me, no one hates Russians more than the people who have been invaded by Russians[/quote]

I think they need to let it go already 
They are now true Europeans and should be klassy 
Of course Russia is in the wrong and there are sanctions imposed and they should follow the rules and all, but they always try to go further, taking it out on ordinary Russians who have lived there and have no relation to this war 
Which makes them non democratic and non civilized [/quote]

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