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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]These protesters can eff right off[/quote] Why? What is wrong with young people protesting war?[/quote] They're not merely protesting war. They're supporting terrorists.[/quote] A very un-nuanced view. One can oppose the genocide in Gaza AND the actions of Hamas on 10/7. The genocide is ongoing; 10/7 lasted a day. Which should one protest more urgently? [/quote] This is war, and those are casualties of war. If Israel wanted genocide, it would have been over on October 8th and it would have lasted a day if that is your metric of justice. They are waving hamas flags and chanting "from the river to the sea?" That is support of terrorists. This could be over tomorrow if they released the hostages. [quote]Secondly, what is the Gaza genocide but state terrorism? What was the Nakba but terrorism? What is the behavior of violent settlers in the West Bank, who attack and harass Palestinians, but terrorism. The West Bank settlers are trying to achieve political ends (steal Palestinian land and claim it for Israel, which is all Israel has ever done). That is the definition of terrorism. [/quote] There are still plenty of arabs and muslims in Israel, in its congress and on its supreme court. Where are the jews in the arab nations? For every palestinian displaced by nakba there is a jew that was expelled from an arab natioin that fled to israel. The jews didn't flee and not be allowed to return like the vast majority of the palestinian refgugees, the jews were expelled. I am not arab, muslim, jewish or israeli. But I remember when Yasser Arafat rejected the two state solution in 2000. I remember when Gazans voted for Hamas. I remember when Hamas invaded Israel and abducted its citizens. We cannot in good conscience tell Israel to back off while Hamas holds its citizens.[/quote] I don't know of any genocide that lasted only a day. Most go on for years. Most pro-Palestinian demonstrators wave Palestinian flags, not Hamas flags. Chanting "from the river to the sea" does not indicate support for terrorism but for a Palestinian homeland with pre-1948 borders, which is a valid and understandable aspiration. Israel could have saved the hostages by now if it had wanted to. By this point, sadly, many will have been killed by Israel (either in bombings or through the deprivation of food, water, and healthcare that all people in Gaza are experiencing). While there are Arab Israelis, they experience structural racism and there's a very good reason (for Israelis) why they remain a minority. Jews were mostly expelled from Arab nations after the Nakba, but that is a separate issue. And Palestinians were indeed expelled from Israel during the Nakba. Most did not leave voluntarily. Over 700,000 of them were violently and brutally displaced and evicted. Their land, homes, and possessions were stolen from the them by Israel, their bank accounts cleared out. In many cases, they were forced to march miles to borders, after seeing their homes burned and their family members murdered and raped. They were forced into neighboring countries with only the clothes on their backs. During these forced marches, IDF soldiers stopped them at checkpoints and pilfered the few personal belongings (watches, cash, jewelry) they had managed to carry with them. This is well documented, and there is no way to sugarcoat the Nakba. The IDF and Zionist terrorist gangs massacred thousands, raped women and girls, and even killed children. A country can't perpetrate such horrendous racist atrocities and not expect resentment and pushback. [/quote] Cry MOAR and keep losing elections. No peace until the hostages are returned.[/quote]
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