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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers.  no debate.  [b]the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. [/b]  They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves.   what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump?  Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers.  How could that have happened?  because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024.   Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”.  Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class.  those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. [b]maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. [/b]  One of those is to help our own children first.  Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs.  clearly you don't agree with Trump.  you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-&gt; https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-&gt; https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e.  repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose.  and we could start working to reverse the damage.   3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?
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This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on. [/quote]

This narrative is actually kind of old though.  Trump is starting to look like Saint.  All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside.  Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show.  They have no credibility on anything anymore.  Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so.  It would have to go way beyond federal regulations.  They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level.  To show they are serious about doing it.  They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on. [/quote]

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