Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

Anonymous wrote:
This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

This narrative is actually kind of old though. Trump is starting to look like Saint. All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside. Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show. They have no credibility on anything anymore. Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so. It would have to go way beyond federal regulations. They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level. To show they are serious about doing it. They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on.

No... Dems largely still care about climate change, workers rights, and other relevant topics. Republicans and MAGA have been successful at sh!tting on all of that and convincing mouth breathers of the same. Dems are a large tent so some groups care about certain topics more than others. I'm sure you've taken that nuance into account /s.

From my perspective the Democrats look more like Jacksonian Majoritarianism. Trying to get a nominal majority so they can exploit a minority "mudsill". If you take that mudsill away that they can exploit the whole thing folds like a tent. Who's going to provide the healthcare, who's going to build the green energy, who's going to teach the kids, who's going to make the cheap food for SNAP recipients etc. See what I mean, all of those things they depend on that one tent pole.

The answer to your questions are the "we" in society. Since that is not obvious to you, you may want to take a step back and reconsider your prospective rather than spin your wheels putting a label on a complex Venn diagram of people and issues. If your answer to those questions are the Uber wealthy and oligarchs, which MAGA and Republicans have demonstrated to be their answer, then good luck to you.

Jacksonian society? C'mon thats what y'all are doing. Who's the next minority group we can exploit? Jacksonian's thought it was so important they went to war over it. They felt very strongly entitled to exploit people.

Democrats will say anything anything, for just a little cheap labor. We've seen it over and over. Oligarchs' yada yada. But you know what? They won't give that up. They'd rather lose and shutdown the government.

To say the current democrats are helping US workers first is simply wrong. They are the proponents of replacing US workers with cheap foreign labor. Biden expanded H1b and opt visas and pushing to expand h2b visas. All used to replace US citizens with cheap foreign labor. Guest workers is the euphemism.

Maybe democrats should focus on policies that win elections

Mandate e-verify
Eliminate H1b visas
Eliminate OPT visas
Eliminate h2b visas
Eliminate L1 visas

Focus on helping US workers instead of importing millions of low wage workers

That would be a step in the right direction and make democrats the party of labor once again.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

Wow. Your alternative fiction is really quite something! Your last paragraph is complete projection, as we’re all well aware. Here’s some information for you since you seem so very low on facts:

In his first 100 days in office, Biden signed more than 60 executive actions, 24 of which are direct reversals of Trump’s policies.

Biden has defended the number as necessary to undo what he considers “bad policy” inherited from Trump, especially on immigration.

To date, 10 of his 12 actions on immigration are reversals of Trump’s policies.

“And I want to make it clear — there’s a lot of talk, with good reason, about the number of executive orders that I have signed — I’m not making new law; I’m eliminating bad policy,” Biden said as he signed a series of actions on immigration from the Oval Office on February 2. “What I’m doing is taking on the issues that — 99% of them — that the president, the last president of the United States, issued executive orders I felt were very counterproductive to our security, counterproductive to who we are as a country, particularly in the area of immigration.”

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/


04/16/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Memo
Reversal: Yes
Reverses the Trump policy banning refugees from key regions and enables flights from those regions to begin within days. Declares that the 15,000 annual refugee cap set by Trump will be raised to a number to be determined by May 15.

02/04/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Expands the United States Refugee Admissions Program and rescinds Trump policies that limited refugee admissions and required additional vetting

02/02/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Aims to address economic and political causes of migration, works with organizations to provide protection to asylum seekers and ensures Central American asylum seekers have legal access to the United States. Rescinds Trump administration policies and guidelines and also initiates a review of policies “that have effectively closed the U.S. border to asylum seekers”

02/02/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Rescinds Trump’s memo requiring immigrants to repay the government if they receive public benefits. Elevates the role of the executive branch in promoting immigrant integration and inclusion, including reestablishing a Task Force on New Americans. Requires agencies to review immigration regulations and policies

01/20/2021
Topic: Census
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Requires non-citizens to be included in the Census and apportionment of congressional representatives

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Memo
Reversal: No
Fortifies DACA after Trump’s efforts to undo protections for undocumented people brought into the country as children

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Proclamation
Reversal: Yes
Reverses the Trump administration’s restrictions on US entry for passport holders from seven Muslim-majority countries

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Executive Order
Reversal: Yes
Undoes Trump’s expansion of immigration enforcement within the United States

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Proclamation
Reversal: Yes
Halts construction of the border wall by terminating the national emergency declaration used to fund it

01/20/2021
Topic: Immigration
Type: Memo
Reversal: No
Extends deferrals of deportation and work authorizations for Liberians with a safe haven in the United States until June 30, 2022

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

Anonymous wrote:
This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

This narrative is actually kind of old though. Trump is starting to look like Saint. All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside. Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show. They have no credibility on anything anymore. Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so. It would have to go way beyond federal regulations. They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level. To show they are serious about doing it. They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on.

Democrats Priorities

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refuses to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helps US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4. Biden proposes to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

Looks like we do not have any experts in English in America. Have to find English experts outside the country

Just amazing how valuable the h1b program is for getting skill talent

To get an H1B visa, first the employer files a petition with the Department of Labor. This is rubber stamped within a week. The employer is certifying the employee has a masters degree, even if there is no employee yet.

When they file for the H1B with USCIS, if USCIS finds any violations, under the law the Department of Labor is not allowed to investigate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

Anonymous wrote:
This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

This narrative is actually kind of old though. Trump is starting to look like Saint. All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside. Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show. They have no credibility on anything anymore. Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so. It would have to go way beyond federal regulations. They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level. To show they are serious about doing it. They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on.

No... Dems largely still care about climate change, workers rights, and other relevant topics. Republicans and MAGA have been successful at sh!tting on all of that and convincing mouth breathers of the same. Dems are a large tent so some groups care about certain topics more than others. I'm sure you've taken that nuance into account /s.

From my perspective the Democrats look more like Jacksonian Majoritarianism. Trying to get a nominal majority so they can exploit a minority "mudsill". If you take that mudsill away that they can exploit the whole thing folds like a tent. Who's going to provide the healthcare, who's going to build the green energy, who's going to teach the kids, who's going to make the cheap food for SNAP recipients etc. See what I mean, all of those things they depend on that one tent pole.

The answer to your questions are the "we" in society. Since that is not obvious to you, you may want to take a step back and reconsider your prospective rather than spin your wheels putting a label on a complex Venn diagram of people and issues. If your answer to those questions are the Uber wealthy and oligarchs, which MAGA and Republicans have demonstrated to be their answer, then good luck to you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

Anonymous wrote:
This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

This narrative is actually kind of old though. Trump is starting to look like Saint. All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside. Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show. They have no credibility on anything anymore. Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so. It would have to go way beyond federal regulations. They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level. To show they are serious about doing it. They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on.

Deny student visas to schools in sanctuary jurisdictions. Let's see if those professors and university administrators will still support sanctuary laws.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We already have O-1 visas for these “super talented intelligent” immigrants.

ah yes, those are hard to get for entry level foreigners.

Like Melania?

Absolutely. She put her super talents on full display.

doh

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

Anonymous wrote:
This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

This narrative is actually kind of old though. Trump is starting to look like Saint. All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside. Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show. They have no credibility on anything anymore. Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so. It would have to go way beyond federal regulations. They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level. To show they are serious about doing it. They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on.

No... Dems largely still care about climate change, workers rights, and other relevant topics. Republicans and MAGA have been successful at sh!tting on all of that and convincing mouth breathers of the same. Dems are a large tent so some groups care about certain topics more than others. I'm sure you've taken that nuance into account /s.

From my perspective the Democrats look more like Jacksonian Majoritarianism. Trying to get a nominal majority so they can exploit a minority "mudsill". If you take that mudsill away that they can exploit the whole thing folds like a tent. Who's going to provide the healthcare, who's going to build the green energy, who's going to teach the kids, who's going to make the cheap food for SNAP recipients etc. See what I mean, all of those things they depend on that one tent pole.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

Anonymous wrote:
This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

This narrative is actually kind of old though. Trump is starting to look like Saint. All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside. Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show. They have no credibility on anything anymore. Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so. It would have to go way beyond federal regulations. They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level. To show they are serious about doing it. They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on.

No... Dems largely still care about climate change, workers rights, and other relevant topics. Republicans and MAGA have been successful at sh!tting on all of that and convincing mouth breathers of the same. Dems are a large tent so some groups care about certain topics more than others. I'm sure you've taken that nuance into account /s.

Yeah, pp you're a prize idiot.

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

Anonymous wrote:
This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

This narrative is actually kind of old though. Trump is starting to look like Saint. All the other issues Democrats have championed have gone by the wayside. Like they never believed in climate change or anything else ever, it was all for show. They have no credibility on anything anymore. Even if they did a 180 in immigration which is virtually impossible even if they had the will to do so. It would have to go way beyond federal regulations. They would have to fix a patchwork of sanctuary laws at the state level. To show they are serious about doing it. They would have to fix academia's dependence on cheap teachers and so on.

Anonymous wrote:But as to your point, we KNOW republicans are evil and want to screw workers. no debate. the tragedy is that Democrats who used to be the party of labor, have abandoned US workers. They claim they support them but their actions speak for themselves. what would cause a country to vote for an idiot like Trump? Why are Democrats unable to address why they lost to this psychopath?

anyone that has worked in software has seen how capitalists have abandoned our children to replace them with cheaper disposable temporary guest! workers. How could that have happened? because it helps the investor class.

and yeh, Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. Largely due to immigration issues.

By June 2024, “immigration” was the second most important issue among the nearly 1,600 U.S. adults polled by The Economist/YouGov that month, trailing only “inflation/prices”. Given that Trump won the popular vote by just 1.6 percentage points (49.9 percent for the Trump/Vance ticket compared to 48.3 percent for Harris/Walz), the fact that Trump did so well with swing voters was key to his victory.

Among total swing voters who ultimately chose Trump, immigration was a key issue, with 77 percent of them believing that it was “extremely” or “very accurate” to say Democrats are “not tough enough on addressing the border crisis” and 73 percent feeling the same way about Democrats “support[ing] immigrants more than American citizens”.

Moreover, 73 percent of Trump-supporting swing voters thought it was either extremely or very accurate to state that Democrats “want to take money from hard-working Americans and give it to immigrants”, 72 percent of them believed it is fair to think Democrats “don’t care about securing the border”, and 69 percent concurred with the statement that Democrats “have extreme ideas about immigration”.

And current Democrats hate the deplorables, i.e. the US working class. those RACISTS, how dare they want to support their families. maybe if Democrats focused on policies that US voters want, they would get re-elected. One of those is to help our own children first. Help our own children get good entry level jobs with health care.

when did it become moral to allow American companies to replace our own children with cheap temporary labor?

and if you really believe capitalists when they say they need workers take a look at one of many lists of layoffs. clearly you don't agree with Trump. you would have to be living in a cave to not see what is happening.

-> https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/03/job-market-new-grads-unemployment.html
-> https://www.businessinsider.com/recent-company-layoffs-laying-off-workers-2025#automattic-tumblrs-parent-cuts-16-of-staff-6

If Democrats would start focusing on US workers, stop the illegal immigration, pause the legal immigration of cheap workers, i.e. repeal H1B and OPT and L1, they would never lose. and we could start working to reverse the damage. 3 Supreme Court picks lost , how many this time?

This is the laziest narrative. I've been meaning to start a thread with facts (and links!) in anticipation of the midterm and 2028 and you're spurring me on.

LOL. Just came here to post this.

I guess it IS patriotic to learn math and go to woke college.