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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]On the contrary, I think it's a brilliant move.

Frankly surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

This should have been part of NAFTA since the 90s, when Perot warned us about a certain giant sucking sound...[/quote]

China is worlds largest economy, largest market(for many American companies too) , largest trader, and largest economy throughout human history (but for the times it was second to India) but for about 150 years.

China is a natural force and we can’t stop them. China was brought down by free slave labor and free plunder from native Americans. Free market will always find the best place to make things for the lowest cost. You try to be protective the cost rises to consumers, the company becomes complacent without global competitions and product quality suffers and the decline starts. [/quote]

LOL, you are that China shill. Your arguments are so repetitive and idiotic that it's obvious whenever you post. Still trying to draw a connection between the slaves in the US and the economic collapse of insular China in the 19th century? I'm surprised that you have not mentioned that China has 5000 years of history. There is nothing unstoppable about China, nor does the US want to stop China so long as they play fairly on the world stage - the same way we don't try to stop Germany, Australia, or any of our other strong allies in the world. You'll notice that no one outside of Russia and North Korea speaks up in defense of China because China doesn't have any real friends on the world stage. To the extent that the US and the rest of the world trades with China only occur from the standpoint that we are tolerating China's misbehaviors up to a point. Now we come to that point where we can't tolerate them anymore and the rest of the world agrees. [/quote]

Saying like it is doesn’t make me anyone’s shrill. In the long run, America with 5% of global market needs access to Chinese market and other Asian markets. We can’t be isolated to 5% market and be expected to prosper. That’s the reality we need to face. A smarter way to approach China is form an equally large internal trade zone, like TPP, and then challenge China. Fighting with our allies, neighbors and with China at the same time is stupid and it only harms us. Everyone sees us as the bully and not China because he doesn’t cooperate with anyone. Imagine that. EU, Canada and Mx consider America to be bigger bully thanChina. That’s what the “narcisstic expert of all things” has done successfully.

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I'm not going to engage much beyond this one reply because I doubt that you are receptive to new ideas, as illustrated by the fact that you are using the same old tired arguments that you lost arguments with, in previous threads. I'm posting this for the benefit of other readers. You keep saying that American has 5% of the global market, by which I am assuming you are referencing population size. This is incorrect analysis on two levels: first, macro measurements for market size is defined by economic activity, not population. While the US only has less than 5% of the world's population, it represents about 24% of the world's GDP in nominal terms and 15% on PPP terms. Stating that America has only 5% of the global market is therefore plainly wrong and misleading. Secondly, America has access to a far larger market than just it's own domestic market, with fairly open trade access to cooperative trading partners all over the world including key Asian allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia, availing the US to substantially all major economic entities aside from China. In fact, the US's market access into China as it currently stands represents only 7.2% of all trade that the US does with its global trading partners and China is only the 3rd largest export market for the US, not the largest. For you to state 5% as the size of America's global market access is ignorant at best, and dishonest at worst.

As demonstrated above, the basis of your analysis on what is good or bad international trade policy is founded on a lack of fundamental knowledge, bad faith, or both, so I am not going to dignify it further with a response and just leave it here. [/quote]

https://www.businessinsider.com/historical-view-global-gdp-shares-2015-9/

Historically China and India had the largest share of Global GDP until about 1820. Britain then plundered India to take down Indian economy. USA with slave labor and plundered native american resources started squeezing out China.

But towards the end of the graph, you can see Africa, Latin America, China and India are beginning to get back their fair share of GDP, equal to their large internal population. Guess who is getting squeezed out, Europe and USA who have been enjoying a disproportionate share of global GDP(by taking away other's fair share) since the 1800s.

You are refusing to see the emergence of the NEW power structure based out of ASIA, as it always have been throughout human history except for a brief 150 years.

The only way to tackle this is to have a large internal market LIKE THE TPP, that the self described King of Debt killed.

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PP here, and again I am only engaging because I want to repeat something I've said before to provide additional context. Again this is not for you, it's for other people to read. The United States does not give a rat's ass whether it has the biggest economy in the world. The US has nothing to prove, it's not a d*ck-measuring contest. We know this because this is how the US has always engaged the world: it's number one goal is to protect and further American interests, and having strong vibrant ally countries in the world is very much an American interest. The US welcomes healthy and fair competition both domestically and on the world stage. This is in every aspect of what we do and is exemplified by the fact that the US has one of the most open markets to foreign companies. If India and China develops into larger economies than the US - great! The US welcomes powerful allies to share in the burden of working towards global security and prosperity. This is what we've been trying to get the EU to do, as anyone can plainly see as we brow-beat our EU allies into adhering to their NATO commitments. The problem that the US and rest of the world has against China isn't that its economy is getting large, but that the country continues to engage in unfair trade practices and is intent on using large Chinese business entities as extensions of the China communist party, to the detriment of the security of US and its allies. Since the main goal of the US is to protect American interests and the interest of its allies, it's only natural that the US will take opportunities to check the power of an adversarial China.

Go ahead and say something about 5000 years, I know you want to. [/quote]

You are not getting what PP is saying. We can't simply wish away that American gain was on the back of slavery, deaths of Native Americans and their resources, followed by a global system that crushed others to our benefit. So we didn't play fair when we climbed either. We played very dirty to climb to where we are.  Thats the reality. [/quote]

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