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Were they mean to the liberals?

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Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I think it's a brilliant move.

Frankly surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

This should have been part of NAFTA since the 90s, when Perot warned us about a certain giant sucking sound...

China is worlds largest economy, largest market(for many American companies too) , largest trader, and largest economy throughout human history (but for the times it was second to India) but for about 150 years.

China is a natural force and we can’t stop them. China was brought down by free slave labor and free plunder from native Americans. Free market will always find the best place to make things for the lowest cost. You try to be protective the cost rises to consumers, the company becomes complacent without global competitions and product quality suffers and the decline starts.

LOL, you are that China shill. Your arguments are so repetitive and idiotic that it's obvious whenever you post. Still trying to draw a connection between the slaves in the US and the economic collapse of insular China in the 19th century? I'm surprised that you have not mentioned that China has 5000 years of history. There is nothing unstoppable about China, nor does the US want to stop China so long as they play fairly on the world stage - the same way we don't try to stop Germany, Australia, or any of our other strong allies in the world. You'll notice that no one outside of Russia and North Korea speaks up in defense of China because China doesn't have any real friends on the world stage. To the extent that the US and the rest of the world trades with China only occur from the standpoint that we are tolerating China's misbehaviors up to a point. Now we come to that point where we can't tolerate them anymore and the rest of the world agrees.

Saying like it is doesn’t make me anyone’s shrill. In the long run, America with 5% of global market needs access to Chinese market and other Asian markets. We can’t be isolated to 5% market and be expected to prosper. That’s the reality we need to face. A smarter way to approach China is form an equally large internal trade zone, like TPP, and then challenge China. Fighting with our allies, neighbors and with China at the same time is stupid and it only harms us. Everyone sees us as the bully and not China because he doesn’t cooperate with anyone. Imagine that. EU, Canada and Mx consider America to be bigger bully thanChina. That’s what the “narcisstic expert of all things” has done successfully.

I'm not going to engage much beyond this one reply because I doubt that you are receptive to new ideas, as illustrated by the fact that you are using the same old tired arguments that you lost arguments with, in previous threads. I'm posting this for the benefit of other readers. You keep saying that American has 5% of the global market, by which I am assuming you are referencing population size. This is incorrect analysis on two levels: first, macro measurements for market size is defined by economic activity, not population. While the US only has less than 5% of the world's population, it represents about 24% of the world's GDP in nominal terms and 15% on PPP terms. Stating that America has only 5% of the global market is therefore plainly wrong and misleading. Secondly, America has access to a far larger market than just it's own domestic market, with fairly open trade access to cooperative trading partners all over the world including key Asian allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia, availing the US to substantially all major economic entities aside from China. In fact, the US's market access into China as it currently stands represents only 7.2% of all trade that the US does with its global trading partners and China is only the 3rd largest export market for the US, not the largest. For you to state 5% as the size of America's global market access is ignorant at best, and dishonest at worst.

As demonstrated above, the basis of your analysis on what is good or bad international trade policy is founded on a lack of fundamental knowledge, bad faith, or both, so I am not going to dignify it further with a response and just leave it here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/historical-view-global-gdp-shares-2015-9/

Historically China and India had the largest share of Global GDP until about 1820. Britain then plundered India to take down Indian economy. USA with slave labor and plundered native american resources started squeezing out China.

But towards the end of the graph, you can see Africa, Latin America, China and India are beginning to get back their fair share of GDP, equal to their large internal population. Guess who is getting squeezed out, Europe and USA who have been enjoying a disproportionate share of global GDP(by taking away other's fair share) since the 1800s.

You are refusing to see the emergence of the NEW power structure based out of ASIA, as it always have been throughout human history except for a brief 150 years.

The only way to tackle this is to have a large internal market LIKE THE TPP, that the self described King of Debt killed.

PP here, and again I am only engaging because I want to repeat something I've said before to provide additional context. Again this is not for you, it's for other people to read. The United States does not give a rat's ass whether it has the biggest economy in the world. The US has nothing to prove, it's not a d*ck-measuring contest. We know this because this is how the US has always engaged the world: it's number one goal is to protect and further American interests, and having strong vibrant ally countries in the world is very much an American interest. The US welcomes healthy and fair competition both domestically and on the world stage. This is in every aspect of what we do and is exemplified by the fact that the US has one of the most open markets to foreign companies. If India and China develops into larger economies than the US - great! The US welcomes powerful allies to share in the burden of working towards global security and prosperity. This is what we've been trying to get the EU to do, as anyone can plainly see as we brow-beat our EU allies into adhering to their NATO commitments. The problem that the US and rest of the world has against China isn't that its economy is getting large, but that the country continues to engage in unfair trade practices and is intent on using large Chinese business entities as extensions of the China communist party, to the detriment of the security of US and its allies. Since the main goal of the US is to protect American interests and the interest of its allies, it's only natural that the US will take opportunities to check the power of an adversarial China.

Go ahead and say something about 5000 years, I know you want to.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

A couple more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

Next time someone like McCain or Romney becomes a candidate, be true to your word and give them a chance instead of insulting them the typical Dem way, will you?

McCain tried when the republican economy was going down the drain. There is no way ANY republican candidate would have beaten Obama in 2008. Romney lost with dignity and is infinitely better man than the Liar. McCain is a hero and a great person, the bone spur cheat and McCain don't even belong in the same sentence.

Romney did not lose with dignity. Democrats called him evil, sexist, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, and a corrupt business con man. Sound familiar? Don't give me this crap about losing with dignity. And McCain showed himself to be a grand standing selfish a-hole. He was incapacitated and unable to perform his duty as a Senator. Instead of passing his position to someone else, he decided to compromise the power and effectiveness of the legislature because he personally wanted to give Trump the finger.

Thats BS. Romney lost when he called 47% of Americans as moochers. End of story. No matter what the cultists say, mcCain is a great, patriotic American. Your cult leader is the worst in American history. Historians already have the liar as one of the worst. Thankfully cultists don't get to write American history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

LOL, so your counter argument is that Romney lost because Democrats could not accept his statement of a plain observable fact? Not sure this makes Democrats look any more rational. In fact it further contributes to my contention that Romney did not lose with dignity.

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Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I think it's a brilliant move.

Frankly surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

This should have been part of NAFTA since the 90s, when Perot warned us about a certain giant sucking sound...

China is worlds largest economy, largest market(for many American companies too) , largest trader, and largest economy throughout human history (but for the times it was second to India) but for about 150 years.

China is a natural force and we can’t stop them. China was brought down by free slave labor and free plunder from native Americans. Free market will always find the best place to make things for the lowest cost. You try to be protective the cost rises to consumers, the company becomes complacent without global competitions and product quality suffers and the decline starts.

LOL, you are that China shill. Your arguments are so repetitive and idiotic that it's obvious whenever you post. Still trying to draw a connection between the slaves in the US and the economic collapse of insular China in the 19th century? I'm surprised that you have not mentioned that China has 5000 years of history. There is nothing unstoppable about China, nor does the US want to stop China so long as they play fairly on the world stage - the same way we don't try to stop Germany, Australia, or any of our other strong allies in the world. You'll notice that no one outside of Russia and North Korea speaks up in defense of China because China doesn't have any real friends on the world stage. To the extent that the US and the rest of the world trades with China only occur from the standpoint that we are tolerating China's misbehaviors up to a point. Now we come to that point where we can't tolerate them anymore and the rest of the world agrees.

Saying like it is doesn’t make me anyone’s shrill. In the long run, America with 5% of global market needs access to Chinese market and other Asian markets. We can’t be isolated to 5% market and be expected to prosper. That’s the reality we need to face. A smarter way to approach China is form an equally large internal trade zone, like TPP, and then challenge China. Fighting with our allies, neighbors and with China at the same time is stupid and it only harms us. Everyone sees us as the bully and not China because he doesn’t cooperate with anyone. Imagine that. EU, Canada and Mx consider America to be bigger bully thanChina. That’s what the “narcisstic expert of all things” has done successfully.

I'm not going to engage much beyond this one reply because I doubt that you are receptive to new ideas, as illustrated by the fact that you are using the same old tired arguments that you lost arguments with, in previous threads. I'm posting this for the benefit of other readers. You keep saying that American has 5% of the global market, by which I am assuming you are referencing population size. This is incorrect analysis on two levels: first, macro measurements for market size is defined by economic activity, not population. While the US only has less than 5% of the world's population, it represents about 24% of the world's GDP in nominal terms and 15% on PPP terms. Stating that America has only 5% of the global market is therefore plainly wrong and misleading. Secondly, America has access to a far larger market than just it's own domestic market, with fairly open trade access to cooperative trading partners all over the world including key Asian allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia, availing the US to substantially all major economic entities aside from China. In fact, the US's market access into China as it currently stands represents only 7.2% of all trade that the US does with its global trading partners and China is only the 3rd largest export market for the US, not the largest. For you to state 5% as the size of America's global market access is ignorant at best, and dishonest at worst.

As demonstrated above, the basis of your analysis on what is good or bad international trade policy is founded on a lack of fundamental knowledge, bad faith, or both, so I am not going to dignify it further with a response and just leave it here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/historical-view-global-gdp-shares-2015-9/

Historically China and India had the largest share of Global GDP until about 1820. Britain then plundered India to take down Indian economy. USA with slave labor and plundered native american resources started squeezing out China.

But towards the end of the graph, you can see Africa, Latin America, China and India are beginning to get back their fair share of GDP, equal to their large internal population. Guess who is getting squeezed out, Europe and USA who have been enjoying a disproportionate share of global GDP(by taking away other's fair share) since the 1800s.

You are refusing to see the emergence of the NEW power structure based out of ASIA, as it always have been throughout human history except for a brief 150 years.

The only way to tackle this is to have a large internal market LIKE THE TPP, that the self described King of Debt killed.

PP here, and again I am only engaging because I want to repeat something I've said before to provide additional context. Again this is not for you, it's for other people to read. The United States does not give a rat's ass whether it has the biggest economy in the world. The US has nothing to prove, it's not a d*ck-measuring contest. We know this because this is how the US has always engaged the world: it's number one goal is to protect and further American interests, and having strong vibrant ally countries in the world is very much an American interest. The US welcomes healthy and fair competition both domestically and on the world stage. This is in every aspect of what we do and is exemplified by the fact that the US has one of the most open markets to foreign companies. If India and China develops into larger economies than the US - great! The US welcomes powerful allies to share in the burden of working towards global security and prosperity. This is what we've been trying to get the EU to do, as anyone can plainly see as we brow-beat our EU allies into adhering to their NATO commitments. The problem that the US and rest of the world has against China isn't that its economy is getting large, but that the country continues to engage in unfair trade practices and is intent on using large Chinese business entities as extensions of the China communist party, to the detriment of the security of US and its allies. Since the main goal of the US is to protect American interests and the interest of its allies, it's only natural that the US will take opportunities to check the power of an adversarial China.

Go ahead and say something about 5000 years, I know you want to.

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Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I think it's a brilliant move.

Frankly surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

This should have been part of NAFTA since the 90s, when Perot warned us about a certain giant sucking sound...

China is worlds largest economy, largest market(for many American companies too) , largest trader, and largest economy throughout human history (but for the times it was second to India) but for about 150 years.

China is a natural force and we can’t stop them. China was brought down by free slave labor and free plunder from native Americans. Free market will always find the best place to make things for the lowest cost. You try to be protective the cost rises to consumers, the company becomes complacent without global competitions and product quality suffers and the decline starts.

LOL, you are that China shill. Your arguments are so repetitive and idiotic that it's obvious whenever you post. Still trying to draw a connection between the slaves in the US and the economic collapse of insular China in the 19th century? I'm surprised that you have not mentioned that China has 5000 years of history. There is nothing unstoppable about China, nor does the US want to stop China so long as they play fairly on the world stage - the same way we don't try to stop Germany, Australia, or any of our other strong allies in the world. You'll notice that no one outside of Russia and North Korea speaks up in defense of China because China doesn't have any real friends on the world stage. To the extent that the US and the rest of the world trades with China only occur from the standpoint that we are tolerating China's misbehaviors up to a point. Now we come to that point where we can't tolerate them anymore and the rest of the world agrees.

Saying like it is doesn’t make me anyone’s shrill. In the long run, America with 5% of global market needs access to Chinese market and other Asian markets. We can’t be isolated to 5% market and be expected to prosper. That’s the reality we need to face. A smarter way to approach China is form an equally large internal trade zone, like TPP, and then challenge China. Fighting with our allies, neighbors and with China at the same time is stupid and it only harms us. Everyone sees us as the bully and not China because he doesn’t cooperate with anyone. Imagine that. EU, Canada and Mx consider America to be bigger bully thanChina. That’s what the “narcisstic expert of all things” has done successfully.

I'm not going to engage much beyond this one reply because I doubt that you are receptive to new ideas, as illustrated by the fact that you are using the same old tired arguments that you lost arguments with, in previous threads. I'm posting this for the benefit of other readers. You keep saying that American has 5% of the global market, by which I am assuming you are referencing population size. This is incorrect analysis on two levels: first, macro measurements for market size is defined by economic activity, not population. While the US only has less than 5% of the world's population, it represents about 24% of the world's GDP in nominal terms and 15% on PPP terms. Stating that America has only 5% of the global market is therefore plainly wrong and misleading. Secondly, America has access to a far larger market than just it's own domestic market, with fairly open trade access to cooperative trading partners all over the world including key Asian allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia, availing the US to substantially all major economic entities aside from China. In fact, the US's market access into China as it currently stands represents only 7.2% of all trade that the US does with its global trading partners and China is only the 3rd largest export market for the US, not the largest. For you to state 5% as the size of America's global market access is ignorant at best, and dishonest at worst.

As demonstrated above, the basis of your analysis on what is good or bad international trade policy is founded on a lack of fundamental knowledge, bad faith, or both, so I am not going to dignify it further with a response and just leave it here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/historical-view-global-gdp-shares-2015-9/

Historically China and India had the largest share of Global GDP until about 1820. Britain then plundered India to take down Indian economy. USA with slave labor and plundered native american resources started squeezing out China.

But towards the end of the graph, you can see Africa, Latin America, China and India are beginning to get back their fair share of GDP, equal to their large internal population. Guess who is getting squeezed out, Europe and USA who have been enjoying a disproportionate share of global GDP(by taking away other's fair share) since the 1800s.

You are refusing to see the emergence of the NEW power structure based out of ASIA, as it always have been throughout human history except for a brief 150 years.

The only way to tackle this is to have a large internal market LIKE THE TPP, that the self described King of Debt killed.

Here is another visual for historic GDPs. The graph ends a decade ago before the global recession began. Since 2008 is a lost decade for Europe.

https://infogram.com/share-of-world-gdp-throughout-history-1gjk92e6yjwqm16

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

A couple more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

Next time someone like McCain or Romney becomes a candidate, be true to your word and give them a chance instead of insulting them the typical Dem way, will you?

McCain tried when the republican economy was going down the drain. There is no way ANY republican candidate would have beaten Obama in 2008. Romney lost with dignity and is infinitely better man than the Liar. McCain is a hero and a great person, the bone spur cheat and McCain don't even belong in the same sentence.

Romney did not lose with dignity. Democrats called him evil, sexist, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, and a corrupt business con man. Sound familiar? Don't give me this crap about losing with dignity. And McCain showed himself to be a grand standing selfish a-hole. He was incapacitated and unable to perform his duty as a Senator. Instead of passing his position to someone else, he decided to compromise the power and effectiveness of the legislature because he personally wanted to give Trump the finger.

Thats BS. Romney lost when he called 47% of Americans as moochers. End of story. No matter what the cultists say, mcCain is a great, patriotic American. Your cult leader is the worst in American history. Historians already have the liar as one of the worst. Thankfully cultists don't get to write American history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

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Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I think it's a brilliant move.

Frankly surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

This should have been part of NAFTA since the 90s, when Perot warned us about a certain giant sucking sound...

China is worlds largest economy, largest market(for many American companies too) , largest trader, and largest economy throughout human history (but for the times it was second to India) but for about 150 years.

China is a natural force and we can’t stop them. China was brought down by free slave labor and free plunder from native Americans. Free market will always find the best place to make things for the lowest cost. You try to be protective the cost rises to consumers, the company becomes complacent without global competitions and product quality suffers and the decline starts.

LOL, you are that China shill. Your arguments are so repetitive and idiotic that it's obvious whenever you post. Still trying to draw a connection between the slaves in the US and the economic collapse of insular China in the 19th century? I'm surprised that you have not mentioned that China has 5000 years of history. There is nothing unstoppable about China, nor does the US want to stop China so long as they play fairly on the world stage - the same way we don't try to stop Germany, Australia, or any of our other strong allies in the world. You'll notice that no one outside of Russia and North Korea speaks up in defense of China because China doesn't have any real friends on the world stage. To the extent that the US and the rest of the world trades with China only occur from the standpoint that we are tolerating China's misbehaviors up to a point. Now we come to that point where we can't tolerate them anymore and the rest of the world agrees.

Saying like it is doesn’t make me anyone’s shrill. In the long run, America with 5% of global market needs access to Chinese market and other Asian markets. We can’t be isolated to 5% market and be expected to prosper. That’s the reality we need to face. A smarter way to approach China is form an equally large internal trade zone, like TPP, and then challenge China. Fighting with our allies, neighbors and with China at the same time is stupid and it only harms us. Everyone sees us as the bully and not China because he doesn’t cooperate with anyone. Imagine that. EU, Canada and Mx consider America to be bigger bully thanChina. That’s what the “narcisstic expert of all things” has done successfully.

I'm not going to engage much beyond this one reply because I doubt that you are receptive to new ideas, as illustrated by the fact that you are using the same old tired arguments that you lost arguments with, in previous threads. I'm posting this for the benefit of other readers. You keep saying that American has 5% of the global market, by which I am assuming you are referencing population size. This is incorrect analysis on two levels: first, macro measurements for market size is defined by economic activity, not population. While the US only has less than 5% of the world's population, it represents about 24% of the world's GDP in nominal terms and 15% on PPP terms. Stating that America has only 5% of the global market is therefore plainly wrong and misleading. Secondly, America has access to a far larger market than just it's own domestic market, with fairly open trade access to cooperative trading partners all over the world including key Asian allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia, availing the US to substantially all major economic entities aside from China. In fact, the US's market access into China as it currently stands represents only 7.2% of all trade that the US does with its global trading partners and China is only the 3rd largest export market for the US, not the largest. For you to state 5% as the size of America's global market access is ignorant at best, and dishonest at worst.

As demonstrated above, the basis of your analysis on what is good or bad international trade policy is founded on a lack of fundamental knowledge, bad faith, or both, so I am not going to dignify it further with a response and just leave it here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/historical-view-global-gdp-shares-2015-9/

Historically China and India had the largest share of Global GDP until about 1820. Britain then plundered India to take down Indian economy. USA with slave labor and plundered native american resources started squeezing out China.

But towards the end of the graph, you can see Africa, Latin America, China and India are beginning to get back their fair share of GDP, equal to their large internal population. Guess who is getting squeezed out, Europe and USA who have been enjoying a disproportionate share of global GDP(by taking away other's fair share) since the 1800s.

You are refusing to see the emergence of the NEW power structure based out of ASIA, as it always have been throughout human history except for a brief 150 years.

The only way to tackle this is to have a large internal market LIKE THE TPP, that the self described King of Debt killed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I think it's a brilliant move.

Frankly surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

This should have been part of NAFTA since the 90s, when Perot warned us about a certain giant sucking sound...

China is worlds largest economy, largest market(for many American companies too) , largest trader, and largest economy throughout human history (but for the times it was second to India) but for about 150 years.

China is a natural force and we can’t stop them. China was brought down by free slave labor and free plunder from native Americans. Free market will always find the best place to make things for the lowest cost. You try to be protective the cost rises to consumers, the company becomes complacent without global competitions and product quality suffers and the decline starts.

LOL, you are that China shill. Your arguments are so repetitive and idiotic that it's obvious whenever you post. Still trying to draw a connection between the slaves in the US and the economic collapse of insular China in the 19th century? I'm surprised that you have not mentioned that China has 5000 years of history. There is nothing unstoppable about China, nor does the US want to stop China so long as they play fairly on the world stage - the same way we don't try to stop Germany, Australia, or any of our other strong allies in the world. You'll notice that no one outside of Russia and North Korea speaks up in defense of China because China doesn't have any real friends on the world stage. To the extent that the US and the rest of the world trades with China only occur from the standpoint that we are tolerating China's misbehaviors up to a point. Now we come to that point where we can't tolerate them anymore and the rest of the world agrees.

Saying like it is doesn’t make me anyone’s shrill. In the long run, America with 5% of global market needs access to Chinese market and other Asian markets. We can’t be isolated to 5% market and be expected to prosper. That’s the reality we need to face. A smarter way to approach China is form an equally large internal trade zone, like TPP, and then challenge China. Fighting with our allies, neighbors and with China at the same time is stupid and it only harms us. Everyone sees us as the bully and not China because he doesn’t cooperate with anyone. Imagine that. EU, Canada and Mx consider America to be bigger bully thanChina. That’s what the “narcisstic expert of all things” has done successfully.

I'm not going to engage much beyond this one reply because I doubt that you are receptive to new ideas, as illustrated by the fact that you are using the same old tired arguments that you lost arguments with, in previous threads. I'm posting this for the benefit of other readers. You keep saying that American has 5% of the global market, by which I am assuming you are referencing population size. This is incorrect analysis on two levels: first, macro measurements for market size is defined by economic activity, not population. While the US only has less than 5% of the world's population, it represents about 24% of the world's GDP in nominal terms and 15% on PPP terms. Stating that America has only 5% of the global market is therefore plainly wrong and misleading. Secondly, America has access to a far larger market than just it's own domestic market, with fairly open trade access to cooperative trading partners all over the world including key Asian allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia, availing the US to substantially all major economic entities aside from China. In fact, the US's market access into China as it currently stands represents only 7.2% of all trade that the US does with its global trading partners and China is only the 3rd largest export market for the US, not the largest. For you to state 5% as the size of America's global market access is ignorant at best, and dishonest at worst.

As demonstrated above, the basis of your analysis on what is good or bad international trade policy is founded on a lack of fundamental knowledge, bad faith, or both, so I am not going to dignify it further with a response and just leave it here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/historical-view-global-gdp-shares-2015-9/

Historically China and India had the largest share of Global GDP until about 1820. Britain then plundered India to take down Indian economy. USA with slave labor and plundered native american resources started squeezing out China.

But towards the end of the graph, you can see Africa, Latin America, China and India are beginning to get back their fair share of GDP, equal to their large internal population. Guess who is getting squeezed out, Europe and USA who have been enjoying a disproportionate share of global GDP(by taking away other's fair share) since the 1800s.

You are refusing to see the emergence of the NEW power structure based out of ASIA, as it always have been throughout human history except for a brief 150 years.

The only way to tackle this is to have a large internal market LIKE THE TPP, that the self described King of Debt killed.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

A couple more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

Next time someone like McCain or Romney becomes a candidate, be true to your word and give them a chance instead of insulting them the typical Dem way, will you?

McCain tried when the republican economy was going down the drain. There is no way ANY republican candidate would have beaten Obama in 2008. Romney lost with dignity and is infinitely better man than the Liar. McCain is a hero and a great person, the bone spur cheat and McCain don't even belong in the same sentence.

Romney did not lose with dignity. Democrats called him evil, sexist, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, and a corrupt business con man. Sound familiar? Don't give me this crap about losing with dignity. And McCain showed himself to be a grand standing selfish a-hole. He was incapacitated and unable to perform his duty as a Senator. Instead of passing his position to someone else, he decided to compromise the power and effectiveness of the legislature because he personally wanted to give Trump the finger.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

A couple more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

Next time someone like McCain or Romney becomes a candidate, be true to your word and give them a chance instead of insulting them the typical Dem way, will you?

McCain tried when the republican economy was going down the drain. There is no way ANY republican candidate would have beaten Obama in 2008. Romney lost with dignity and is infinitely better man than the Liar. McCain is a hero and a great person, the bone spur cheat and McCain don't even belong in the same sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:On the contrary, I think it's a brilliant move.

Frankly surprised he didn't think of it earlier.

This should have been part of NAFTA since the 90s, when Perot warned us about a certain giant sucking sound...

China is worlds largest economy, largest market(for many American companies too) , largest trader, and largest economy throughout human history (but for the times it was second to India) but for about 150 years.

China is a natural force and we can’t stop them. China was brought down by free slave labor and free plunder from native Americans. Free market will always find the best place to make things for the lowest cost. You try to be protective the cost rises to consumers, the company becomes complacent without global competitions and product quality suffers and the decline starts.

LOL, you are that China shill. Your arguments are so repetitive and idiotic that it's obvious whenever you post. Still trying to draw a connection between the slaves in the US and the economic collapse of insular China in the 19th century? I'm surprised that you have not mentioned that China has 5000 years of history. There is nothing unstoppable about China, nor does the US want to stop China so long as they play fairly on the world stage - the same way we don't try to stop Germany, Australia, or any of our other strong allies in the world. You'll notice that no one outside of Russia and North Korea speaks up in defense of China because China doesn't have any real friends on the world stage. To the extent that the US and the rest of the world trades with China only occur from the standpoint that we are tolerating China's misbehaviors up to a point. Now we come to that point where we can't tolerate them anymore and the rest of the world agrees.

Saying like it is doesn’t make me anyone’s shrill. In the long run, America with 5% of global market needs access to Chinese market and other Asian markets. We can’t be isolated to 5% market and be expected to prosper. That’s the reality we need to face. A smarter way to approach China is form an equally large internal trade zone, like TPP, and then challenge China. Fighting with our allies, neighbors and with China at the same time is stupid and it only harms us. Everyone sees us as the bully and not China because he doesn’t cooperate with anyone. Imagine that. EU, Canada and Mx consider America to be bigger bully thanChina. That’s what the “narcisstic expert of all things” has done successfully.

I'm not going to engage much beyond this one reply because I doubt that you are receptive to new ideas, as illustrated by the fact that you are using the same old tired arguments that you lost arguments with, in previous threads. I'm posting this for the benefit of other readers. You keep saying that American has 5% of the global market, by which I am assuming you are referencing population size. This is incorrect analysis on two levels: first, macro measurements for market size is defined by economic activity, not population. While the US only has less than 5% of the world's population, it represents about 24% of the world's GDP in nominal terms and 15% on PPP terms. Stating that America has only 5% of the global market is therefore plainly wrong and misleading. Secondly, America has access to a far larger market than just it's own domestic market, with fairly open trade access to cooperative trading partners all over the world including key Asian allies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Malaysia, availing the US to substantially all major economic entities aside from China. In fact, the US's market access into China as it currently stands represents only 7.2% of all trade that the US does with its global trading partners and China is only the 3rd largest export market for the US, not the largest. For you to state 5% as the size of America's global market access is ignorant at best, and dishonest at worst.

As demonstrated above, the basis of your analysis on what is good or bad international trade policy is founded on a lack of fundamental knowledge, bad faith, or both, so I am not going to dignify it further with a response and just leave it here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

A couple more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

Next time someone like McCain or Romney becomes a candidate, be true to your word and give them a chance instead of insulting them the typical Dem way, will you?

McCain tried when the republican economy was going down the drain. There is no way ANY republican candidate would have beaten Obama in 2008. Romney lost with dignity and is infinitely better man than the Liar. McCain is a hero and a great person, the bone spur cheat and McCain don't even belong in the same sentence.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

A couple more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

Next time someone like McCain or Romney becomes a candidate, be true to your word and give them a chance instead of insulting them the typical Dem way, will you?

Trump's Road to Socialism

The administration's plan is expected to use two commodity support programs in the farm bill, as well as the Agriculture Department’s broad authority to stabilize the agricultural economy during times of turmoil by buying up excess supply. The plan is also expected to focus on providing aid to the dairy sector in particular, one of the sources said.

The plan has been in the works for months. It seeks to ensure that U.S. farmers and ranchers — a key constituency for President Donald Trump and Republicans — don’t bear the brunt of an escalating trade fight with China, the European Union and other major economies as the administration pursues an aggressive course to rebalance America's trade relationships.

Trump's moves to slap tariffs on imports from some of America‘s largest foreign buyers have prompted retaliation against U.S. farm goods like pork, beef, soybeans, sorghum and a range of fruits. The administration's trade aid plan is also a bid to shore up support among a slice of the rural electorate ahead of the midterm elections.

In spite of the President’s claim that tariffs are “the greatest,” and trade wars are “easy to win,” the economic backlash was easy to foresee. In fact, as the political success Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have brought “democratic socialism” into the mainstream of the Democratic Party, Trump’s economic nationalism threatens to pave a road to the same destination.

After all, Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy. The interests of steel workers, for example, are being placed above the interest of consumers and farmers. This leads to the government using tax dollars to prop up farmers. Of course this spending means that tax-paying consumers are hit yet again, with their tax dollars being used for this new welfare program.

Government interventionism doesn’t simply stop there. The natural result of these new government barriers is for businesses to seek ways around them, such as Harley’s decision to move some manufacturing to Europe. This, of course, sparked backlash from President Trump, threatening further retaliation for such a move. As we've seen time and time again, the more Trump digs in to his support for protectionism, the more he will seek to interfere with the actions of individual companies.