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This life, here, is not fair or just.  That is true.  Jesus himself said that.

But do you really, honestly not believe there is such a thing as justice?[/quote]

I think our court systems deliver a certain amount of justice to some offenders. But, even if an offender converts before being executed, doesn't he "go to heaven"? Even if I believed in an afterlife, that doesn't strike me as just.

There is no such thing as certain justice. [/quote]

I'm not talking about the legal system.  [shudder]. Of course there is no true justice there.  And the legal system does not address most of human behavior, anyway.

I'm talking about the idea of justice.  Put aside your prejudices about the afterlife.  Just hold a mirror up to the notion that this is all that here is.

If that is true, if materialism is true, if we are accidental assemblies of matter and nothing more, do you see how powerful that makes child rapists?  Do you really, honestly believe that?

Is there no such thing as justice?[/quote]

Wouldn't it give every wrongdoer power? I think your definition of "justice" is narrow. I don't buy your idea of divine, universal or guaranteed justice. If the afterlife boogey man is what keeps people from raping children, I don't see how one could claim that's morally superior. [/quote]

I'm the immediate PP. I wanted to add that a desire for revenge is a normal part of human nature. I'd like to exact revenge on the person that caused so much difficulty and pain with his violence. But, what kind of civilized society condones revenge behavior? It's not right. An eye for an eye is a moral void, catering to emotion and not rationality. [/quote]

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