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This life, here, is not fair or just.  That is true.  Jesus himself said that.

But do you really, honestly not believe there is such a thing as justice?[/quote]

I think our court systems deliver a certain amount of justice to some offenders. But, even if an offender converts before being executed, doesn't he "go to heaven"? Even if I believed in an afterlife, that doesn't strike me as just.

There is no such thing as certain justice. [/quote]

I'm not talking about the legal system.  [shudder]. Of course there is no true justice there.  And the legal system does not address most of human behavior, anyway.

I'm talking about the idea of justice.  Put aside your prejudices about the afterlife.  Just hold a mirror up to the notion that this is all that here is.

If that is true, if materialism is true, if we are accidental assemblies of matter and nothing more, do you see how powerful that makes child rapists?  Do you really, honestly believe that?

Is there no such thing as justice?[/quote]

Wouldn't it give every wrongdoer power? I think your definition of "justice" is narrow. I don't buy your idea of divine, universal or guaranteed justice. If the afterlife boogey man is what keeps people from raping children, I don't see how one could claim that's morally superior. [/quote]

This whole argument that "God must exist, because otherwise, I'd be extremely disappointed!" is so insubstantial, I can't believe someone is actually making it.[/quote]

If the the threat of hell is meant to keep the peace here, then why do they not make it plainly visible to everyone?  Get a channel on cable or something.  At least put out a youtube video.[/quote]

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