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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Doesn't look much like a submarine to me.  Nor does it look like it has the range to make it to the US.

MAGA please explain your imminent threat and submarine excuses.  Though it could be fake news, give that it is from that well-known fabricator of everything.

[twitter]https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361[/twitter][/quote]

Poor fisherman don’t have the $$$ to put 3 or 4 powerful outboards on a boat, and they do not race at extremely high speed in the middle of the night in the direction of the U.S. or a Caribbean island used for transfer.

That is a drug boat.[/quote]

Does that boat have the fuel capacity to get to the US?[/quote]
At best these are just one early step in the logistics of drug smuggling to the US. They could be drugs headed elsewhere or not even drugs at all.

What they actually are is an attempt to provoke a shooting war. We’ve gotten successively worse at making these provocations credible over time though.[/quote]

In reality these are fishing boats. The US Military under US and international law is committing murder. Military force is only legal if you are at war, actively involved in combat, posing an active military threat, etc. These actions do not meet or come close to the threshold needed for legal use of military force.[/quote]

💯 agree with you. Cold blooded murder and he doesn’t care. [/quote]

Have you seen the videos? What kind of fish do you catch going 70 mph?[/quote]

Or what kind of fishing are you doing in a submarine? [/quote]

Just make more stuff up. 56 people murdered because they were fishing try to feed their family or refugees fleeing to a better life. Killing civilians 
is a war crime. Doing it with no war is just murder. [/quote]

Actual, serious question for you, that I would really, really appreciate your making a serious answer:

If these are simple fishermen “just trying to feed their families” , as you insist, how did these “simple fishermen” who are just trying to feed their families afford a 40-something foot speedboat with 2 or 4 outboard motors, costing around half a million dollars? Because boats are expensive. I know - I’ve owned them most of my life. And the ones I’ve seen getting blown up cost more than the average American home. How are these humble fishermen just trying to feed their families able to afford boats like this? I have no trouble feeding my family at all, and I can’t afford a $500,000 boat.

Can you please explain this?

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I can’t, and they [i]probably[/i] were drug boats, but that honestly doesn’t matter.  You are completely missing and/or ignoring the point. The problem is that there was NO evidence presented, NO evidence of crime committed in the US, and NO trial or due process.  The US is repeatedly going into International waters to blow up boats with only the assumption that they are coming to the US with drugs.  If there is so much evidence to support it and proof that these boats were trafficking drugs and truly headed to the US, then why for god’s sake would they not just present it?  Alternatively, wait for them to arrive and arrest them or execute them AFTER they enter the states with drugs.  At least then, they would have evidence.

It’s pure idiocy![/quote]

I appreciate your making the effort to answer.

As for your points: Why are they doing it this way? I think there’s a couple reasons-

1) shock value to the cartels and smugglers. No one is afraid of getting arrested by the Americans. We treat you well, feed you good food, take care of you. Sure, you’ll be confined for a period of time until you get released pending trial - which you’ll never have to appear for - but all in all, no one is afraid to be a smuggler and get caught by Las Yanquis. Until now, that is. No one wants to get blown up without warning. That’s the reason they’re releasing all these videos - so other potential smugglers can see it, and understand the rules have definitely changed.

2) evidence? Probably they don’t want to reveal sources and methods for their intelligence gathering for tracking the boats. Probably a combination of physical surveillance with drones, electronic surveillance and human assets. A combination of all three to determine boats to targeted. They don’t want to reveal any of that, and that’s understandable.

3) why not arrest them at their destination? How about simple risk mitigation? Why put your personnel at risk of a firefight or engagement with the narcos if you’re already willing to just blow them up ?  When I was a Bradley commander during OEF, and we were in-contact with hostiles and taking fire from a location, I didn’t send a squad in to engage them - I just ordered the gunner to knock down the structure with 20mm or MK19 rounds. I wasn’t putting my guys in a firefight when just flattening the building would suffice, and keep us all safe. The Navy and USCG is making the same decision here.

4) It sends a not-subtle message that there’s a new Sheriff in town. Things are different now. Very different. And the administration wants that message delivered. [/quote]

What a load of half a$$ bullsh#t. So no evidence just murdering people because it is good on Twitter? WTF is wrong with you people. [/quote]

Yes, it's complete bullshit.

Nobody is asking them to "reveal sources and methods" or anything classified.  The world's most advanced Navy can't manage to produce even something basic, like one video clip of something like going to the site of a destroyed boat and retrieving bales of drugs?  That doesn't require revealing classified info.  But instead we get NOTHING.  The fact that they can't even do that speaks volumes.[/quote]

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