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I hope she doesn't. These NICU nurses and medical professionals are amazing people who deal with things you can't possibly imagine. I have a good friend who has worked in the NICU for years and you can't believe the things she has seen.  And importantly, these people can legitimately and without agenda tell the truth about the biology of these children/fetuses/whatever label you want to give.  Correcting the bullshit opinions passed off as fact. I thank her for that and everything she does.[/quote]
What your NICU nurse did not tell you, is how much money NICU care costs, and you probably have not been told of the times a NICU infant is allowed to die, as in no longer given treatment.[/quote]
Are you this stupid? Do you think NICU parents are ignorant of the expense? PP is right - you're awful.
-NICU parent.

All of which has none to do with outlawing abortion at 6 weeks.[/quote]

No, it doesn't. Our conversation has wandered in some pretty far fields.

I think you can be intimately familiar with the NICU world and support positions typically known as either pro-choice or pro-life. What you can't do -- if you know that world -- is be cavalier about the timing or the human costs (not financial, but to all those involved on a personal level). These are not easy times, and they are not easy decisions. Once you've lived there, as parents and providers do, alongside their charges, you never think about it the same way.

When we talk about the limits of viability, we are talking about a war zone. There really is a hard limit here, because there are limits to oxygen and water and carbon and life, certainly for the foreseeable future.

I'm hardcore pro-choice. I would also give up a good chunk of my taxable income to support true artificial wombs, where a fetus could be moved to an finish growing until stable enough to survive. That would be awesome. It has been done for stretches of time with goat fetuses, believe it or not -- this was as far back as 1996. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/29/magazine/the-artificial-womb-is-born.html We just haven't been able to make it work long enough, and no human trials yet, as far as I know.

Anyway. I will share coffee with adamant pro-life nurses, and respect their points of view and skills. They are not naive.

None of us should be, not if we are advocating for or against legislation here. We should be as marked and thorough as we can be, and we should get our facts straight. if this matter, then it really matters. Do it justice.[/quote]

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