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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Morals and values don't come from religion.  They come from empathy.  The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.[/quote]

I'm a Christian and this is a silly rule for beginners/children. There's a tinge of selfishness to it, don't you think? Do something because it is right.  Right and wrong. Right action. This also exists in many religions and philosophies.  That being said, the teachings of Christ are a wonderful guide if you are trying to determine right from wrong. xo[/quote]

Really?  That's like saying christians do something right so you won't go to hell.  If God wanted to create a system where people had no selfish motivation to be good or bad, he could send everyone to the same afterlife regardless.  [/quote]

You made such a great point but not for the reason you think.
According to Christian theology, and for the exact reason you mention, salvation is free. It does not depend on your behavior at all. The only thing to do is to acknowledge you don't deserve heaven because of how well you behave, and say that you need God's forgiveness (which is free). Good behavior after that is a fruit of this change (if change is real), but not necessary for getting to heaven.
In fact people get mad at the whole thing because they think it is unfair that 'bad people' can get in if they repent at the last minute.

I find it a neat trick and quite different from other systems of though- secular or religious. Generally they work under the premise of Santa will bring you present if you are a good boy. Christians say, Santa has brought you toys, and  will forever  howevet you act; aren't you grateful? Be a good boy. [/quote]

Catholics don't believe that.  Faith alone is not sufficient to get to heaven.  James 2.  Also Council of Trent.  [/quote]

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