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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]Can you cite a single action in support of free expression by Geller that wasn't focused on opposing Islam? She must have the most narrow definition of free speech that's ever been proposed. [/quote] Let's not play stupid here. People are being murdered for scribbling cartoons about Muhammed. Every other current free speech issue pales in comparison. No other issue causes writers or cartoonists in the US to fear for their lives. I really have no interest in Pamela Geller except that she is courageous enough to openly oppose the violent intimidation of those who draw Muhammed. Once we have returned to a time when, say, a small atheist magazine can draw a cartoon of Muhammed without fearing for their lives, then I will be able to ignore Pamela Geller. [/quote] That's sort of like supporting Mussolini because he made the trains run on time. Just ignore everything else about him. If Geller is such the advocate of free expression that you believe her to be, why has she opposed free expression by Muslims? Even the ADL accuses her of "virulent anti-Muslim bigotry": http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/discrimination/c/stop-islamization-of-america.html BTW, we are constantly told that Geller only opposes "radical" Muslims. But, read her own words (from the ADL report): "the idea of a 'moderate' Islam does not exist... because the Koran says so and Muhammad said so." So, she only opposes "radical" Muslims, but all Muslim are radical. If your goal is to return to a time when small atheist magazines can draw a cartoon of Muhammed without fearing for their lives, Pam Geller is the last person you want to support. Every move she makes strengthens those extremists who would kill because of drawings. It weakens and alienates moderate Muslims. IS and groups like them thrive on a clash of civilizations. The more they can demonstrate that they are defending Muslims against the enemies of Islam, the better they like it. Geller is a dream come true for them. On the other hand, if Americans treated Geller the way they would treat an raving anti-Semite or white supremacist, [b]it would take some wind out of the radical's sails[/b]. [/quote] Wow. You truly don't understand the goals of Radical Islam, and what motivates them. Are you really suggesting that if people like Gellar would just shut up, radicals would behave themselves?[/quote] I am suggesting that Geller -- who opposes free expression by Muslims when that suits her -- provides ammunition to Muslim extremists to demonstrate that the West is anti-Islam. Geller's actions strengthen radical Muslims and the actions of radical Muslims strengthen Geller. I am not asking for Geller to shut up. She has the right to speak. I am asking that Americans treat her the same way they would treat an anti-Semite or white supremacist -- by showing the her values are not American values. [/quote] To what end? Free speech is an American value - ond of the most valued in fact. The only thing that strengthens radical muslims is convert or die. [/quote]
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