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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]Jesus' message, as reported in the New Testament and the Quran, is pretty different. I won't go into details, but suffice it to say, there are different attitudes towards non-believers, women, what you eat, and more.  The Islamic position is that the early followers of Christ got it wrong, so God sent Mohammed to correct things.[/quote] No, the islamic position is that the early followers got it right but most of them were persecuted and killed[/quote]

Just so I understand, the Islamic position is that the first followers got it right, but other so-called Christians persecuted and killed them, and then imposed their own version of what Jesus said? This would make Mohammed's message, which is indeed different from Jesus' message on many counts, a "correction" to the renegade Christians. Correct me if I'm wrong!

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Considering that Mohammed's message was to kill infidels, I don't think I give a fig about what he says about anything.[/quote]

That was my "Just so I understand...."  I wasn't going to go there, but you did. So I'll add a little. I agree, I've read the Qu'ran and the New Testament, and there are very big difference in the attitudes towards outsiders, in Islam vs. Christianity. Jesus' message of "judge not" and "the hated Samaritan, an outsider, behaved better than the believers of your own group" are quite different from the Islamic concepts of Ummah and the Dhimmi, the latter extending to Jews and Christians but not to polytheists who had no protections whatsoever. It's hard to think this is the same Jesus.[/quote]

PS. I was taught that Muslims do regard the Qu'ran as a correction, and although Muslima says it's a clearing up of confusion, I don't see a large distinction. For several centuries following some codifications in Christianity that happened about 350, there were dissenters in the Middle East, particularly with regard to whether Christ was divine/godlike (the subject of this thread). Mohammed, who lived in the trading areas of Medina and Mecca, where ideas as well as goods circulated freely, would have met some of these dissenters and heard their alternative views on Christ's message. Whatever your position on the divinity of Christ, however, other aspects of Jesus message (treatment of outsiders, whether war is ever justified, eating rules) are also pretty different between the Qu'ran and the New Testament.[/quote]

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