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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Having a foreign language as a special is nothing like immersion. If you want your kid to be fluent, you need immersion and that's only available at charters. [/quote]

Someone may have already debunked this but it’s not true that immersion is only available at charters. Chisholm (formerly Tyler) is DCPS Spanish immersion and I believe Oyster-Adams is, too. [/quote]

But PP said fluent.  Your kid is not going to be fluent with just elementary immersion.  They need to continue the language thru middle school and high school.  And it’s not just taking a foreign language like a traditional school but actually taking other subjects in the language too.

Oyster tracks to Adams but it’s such a small middle school with limited course offerings, EC, and clubs.  Then after that it is a dead end.

So PP is correct that the only real path in this town to fluency is charter with the immersion charters to DCI.  The only other path is WIS which is private and 50k plus a year [/quote]

NP, and I’ve taught plenty of Oyster kids over the years.  Most are pretty much fluent in Spanish.  [/quote]

This is true. I believe all 8th graders pass the AP exam. [/quote]

Passing an AP exam just shows you are proficient.  It doesn’t not mean you are fluent.  Neither is just understanding.

Fluency is understanding, speaking, reading, and writing. [/quote]

8th graders passing an AP exam is impressive and Adams measures language proficiency other ways. May students at Oyster Adams are native speakers. [/quote]

This is an odd jumble.

I would absolutely expect native Spanish speakers to do well on the AP Spanish exam in 8th grade after years if Spanish immersion.

However, that is not terribly helpful for non-native Spanish speakers and not really an indication one way or another for how non-native speakers fare in immersion programs.

So it's actually hard to say whether 8th graders are oyster passing the AP exam is impressive or not -- I'd say it's not particularly impressive for National ve Spanish speakers but us impressive for non-native speakers but now I'm wondering what percent of Oyster 8th graders pass, what their scores are, and how results differ for native versus non-native speakers.[/quote]

+1.  This.  As to the PP above, how exactly does Oyster measure proficiency?  How does Oyster measure fluency?  Where is the data to show this especially for non-native speaking kids?[/quote]

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