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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t agree with the way MAGAs are approaching this as hunting down immigrants for sport, but there needs to be humane immigration reform. Plenty of people all over the world are in bad situations and would love to live in the US. Laws need to be respected. [/quote]

Drop me a lime with those laws or changed so that people like our guy have a realistic chance of legal immigration. Until then I’m hiding him.[/quote]

That’s the crux:  [b]he’ll never have a realistic chance at legal immigration because his economic value and utility is *derived* from his undocumented status.[/b]

Your worker is a good person and you are well intentioned. Nonetheless, if your worker had legal status his costs of operating his business would go up. As it is, he is paid cash under the table, he accepts more risk than a worker with legal status would (risks that would more properly be allocated to you the homeowner), and he very likely does not report his income to the IRS.  This all means he is cheaper than properly authorized labor. A cost savings that *you* are the true beneficiary of.   The net effect is that you get cheaper cost services and domestic workers with legal status are priced out of the market.

I’m sure you think that using and harboring cheap labor is noble. But the reality is that no matter how good your intentions are and how decent a person your landscaper is, you are intentionally engaging in economic activity that benefits you materially, helps the undocumented laborer but undercuts the domestic workforce.   You are selling out the American labor force so that you can have extra dollars.  In doing so, you are perpetuating inequality and creating a permanent economic underclass.

If your laborer ever actually had legal status, he would find himself price undercut by undocumented labor.   If you were using above board labor, your prices would go up. [/quote]

No, he'll never have a legal chance at immigration because the current law doesn't allow it under any circumstances.  And I'm not benefiting economically in any way, shape or form.  As I said earlier, I also have a lawn service where the workers appear to be documented and I'm very sure -- based on what I pay the company -- that the workers are paid less than my undocumented guy.  For your argument to make any sense, I would have to be paying my guy a low wage, but I'm not.  And do you know why I'm not?  Because he does a BETTER job than anyone I've used around here from your so-called "domestic" workforce.  They don't do half as good a job that he does.  I pay him what he's worth, and I'm not undercutting anyone.  If the "domestic" workforce wants $30+ an hour to take care of my yard, it can do that by doing comparable work.

In short, the whole premise of your argument is that I'm underpaying, which I'm not.  I'm paying generously.  I always pay generously for good work.  "Domestic" laborers, by and large, do shitty work and then blame immigrants. [/quote]

"I pay him what he's worth"

no you don't, you pay him what YOU think he is worth, but in the mind of elites like yourself that is equivalent.

the contempt for US workers drips from your keyboard.

reminds me of a conversation with an Indian immigrant i worked with, he was saying how he didn't have to hire a company to do yardwork, he would go to home depot and hire a few folks and pay them in cash.   he said it was cheaper and they did great work.   He saw nothing wrong with this.   being from a culture that allows the elites to treat the workers as trash, as dalits , it was to be expected. [/quote]

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