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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers.  Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported.  And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college.  That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse.  And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out. [/quote]

#2 is an urban legend.   H1b was created with bush 1990 immigration act.   35 years ago. Please explain how we can have a skills shortage in a market economy for 35 years????

In my early years in 80’s and 90’s, we would hire and train people.   No more after h1b.  Everyone looks for the purple squirrel.

Also, many stem grads cannot find jobs.  Recently, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that " [a]mong the 50 million employed college graduates ages 25 to 64 in 2019, 37% reported a bachelor's degree in science or engineering but only 14% worked in a STEM occupation...This translates into less than a third (28%) of STEM-educated workers actually working in a STEM job."
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/06/does-majoring-in-stem-lead-to-stem-job-after-graduation.html[/quote]

Exactly, there used to be training. New students were trained for at least 6 mos to a year. Older workers were retrained. Companies used to send ppl to classes. But that got too expensive. Now they're thrown out the door. If workers don't have the laundry list of qualifications, time to hire h1bs.[/quote]

I will add my own experience.

In 80's and 90's I was able to hire entry level testers, African Americans and hispanics,  from 2 year schools or community colleges, train them to be testers or developers.  These were young adults that didn't have the parental guidance to get into college etc etc.   Almost all were successful and were launched into successful careers.  Now I am forced to hire H1Bs from Indian Bodyshops.  We do NOT hire entry level with intent to train.  We hire 15 H1Bs with the intent to fire 33% and keep the other 67% for 2 years and then fire and start over.   It is a way to replace US workers with cheap desperate guest workers.

at Freddie my boss said [i]"don't worry about telephone interviews with H1Bs, just hire 10, and we will fire 4 in first 2 weeks.   Then after 18 months, the 6 are rolled off and we start all over again.   that is the way it is done. "[/i]

And the Indian Bodyshops are the most racist firms in America. They have no african americans and few hispanics. And they NEVER recruit from HBCs.  Never.

How did it become moral to hire cheaper labor from half way around the planet instead of training your own children?  what is wrong with us?[/quote]

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