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Anonymous wrote:I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers. Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported. And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college. That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse. And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out.

#2 is an urban legend. H1b was created with bush 1990 immigration act. 35 years ago. Please explain how we can have a skills shortage in a market economy for 35 years????

In my early years in 80’s and 90’s, we would hire and train people. No more after h1b. Everyone looks for the purple squirrel.

Also, many stem grads cannot find jobs. Recently, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that " [a]mong the 50 million employed college graduates ages 25 to 64 in 2019, 37% reported a bachelor's degree in science or engineering but only 14% worked in a STEM occupation...This translates into less than a third (28%) of STEM-educated workers actually working in a STEM job."
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/06/does-majoring-in-stem-lead-to-stem-job-after-graduation.html

It is not an urban legend. You cannot train somebody to a sufficiently high level who was not properly trained in grade and high school. It just cannot be done. Americans all get As, and are not pushed. People are passed through CS courses who have as much gift for coding as I have for opera singing. Until US education is reformed, and we recognize the "customer" is not the student but society, people will graduate these programs with worthless degrees and be too old to get the basic critical thinking skills they need to get in middle school or can never get.

Where do you get this nonsense?

If there is a shortage wages go up and more workers are attracted to the job. And yet for software development jobs we do the opposite , lower wages by flooding market with larger supply of workers, and then wonder in amazement at why we still are unable to attract workers to software development

And stop with the Americans are lazy crap. That is an argument from other h1bs trying to justify their life.

The question remains, how can we have a skills shortage for 35 years?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers. Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported. And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college. That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse. And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out.

#2 is an urban legend. H1b was created with bush 1990 immigration act. 35 years ago. Please explain how we can have a skills shortage in a market economy for 35 years????

In my early years in 80’s and 90’s, we would hire and train people. No more after h1b. Everyone looks for the purple squirrel.

Also, many stem grads cannot find jobs. Recently, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that " [a]mong the 50 million employed college graduates ages 25 to 64 in 2019, 37% reported a bachelor's degree in science or engineering but only 14% worked in a STEM occupation...This translates into less than a third (28%) of STEM-educated workers actually working in a STEM job."
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/06/does-majoring-in-stem-lead-to-stem-job-after-graduation.html

Exactly, there used to be training. New students were trained for at least 6 mos to a year. Older workers were retrained. Companies used to send ppl to classes. But that got too expensive. Now they're thrown out the door. If workers don't have the laundry list of qualifications, time to hire h1bs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers. Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported. And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college. That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse. And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out.

#2 is an urban legend. H1b was created with bush 1990 immigration act. 35 years ago. Please explain how we can have a skills shortage in a market economy for 35 years????

In my early years in 80’s and 90’s, we would hire and train people. No more after h1b. Everyone looks for the purple squirrel.

Also, many stem grads cannot find jobs. Recently, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that " [a]mong the 50 million employed college graduates ages 25 to 64 in 2019, 37% reported a bachelor's degree in science or engineering but only 14% worked in a STEM occupation...This translates into less than a third (28%) of STEM-educated workers actually working in a STEM job."
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/06/does-majoring-in-stem-lead-to-stem-job-after-graduation.html

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers. Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported. And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college. That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse. And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out.

#2 is an urban legend. H1b was created with bush 1990 immigration act. 35 years ago. Please explain how we can have a skills shortage in a market economy for 35 years????

In my early years in 80’s and 90’s, we would hire and train people. No more after h1b. Everyone looks for the purple squirrel.

Also, many stem grads cannot find jobs. Recently, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that " [a]mong the 50 million employed college graduates ages 25 to 64 in 2019, 37% reported a bachelor's degree in science or engineering but only 14% worked in a STEM occupation...This translates into less than a third (28%) of STEM-educated workers actually working in a STEM job."
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/06/does-majoring-in-stem-lead-to-stem-job-after-graduation.html

It is not an urban legend. You cannot train somebody to a sufficiently high level who was not properly trained in grade and high school. It just cannot be done. Americans all get As, and are not pushed. People are passed through CS courses who have as much gift for coding as I have for opera singing. Until US education is reformed, and we recognize the "customer" is not the student but society, people will graduate these programs with worthless degrees and be too old to get the basic critical thinking skills they need to get in middle school or can never get.

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Anonymous wrote:CS is and has been way over subscribed anyways. It started to get that way around 2010. So yes, if you are not capable of actual engineering and you managed to 💩 out a CS degree from an easy school to get into and an easy school to graduate from you are in trouble. Or if you generally have massive personality defects - which is also a major problem for CS related professionals.

LLMs have significant limitations. They also have significant advantages given the right prompting. An LLM absolutely is not general intelligenc. If you are being replaced entirely by large language model, the problem is you

It sounds like you're jealous of tech salaries, which are substantially higher than salaries for traditional engineering such as mechanical, electrical, materials, etc. People who want easy engineering degrees go into civil engineering. Everyone knows that.

Actually, I graduated with a BS/MS in computer engineering in the early 2000s in 5 years and continue to do very well. Back then, we had a lot of people that didn’t even belong - to include the foreign PhD students I smoked when I took the qualifier and left. Now there are even more people that don’t belong.

What you are seeing is a consequence of that and the over subscription. Hope that helps.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers. Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported. And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college. That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse. And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out.

#2 is an urban legend. H1b was created with bush 1990 immigration act. 35 years ago. Please explain how we can have a skills shortage in a market economy for 35 years????

In my early years in 80’s and 90’s, we would hire and train people. No more after h1b. Everyone looks for the purple squirrel.

Also, many stem grads cannot find jobs. Recently, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that " [a]mong the 50 million employed college graduates ages 25 to 64 in 2019, 37% reported a bachelor's degree in science or engineering but only 14% worked in a STEM occupation...This translates into less than a third (28%) of STEM-educated workers actually working in a STEM job."
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/06/does-majoring-in-stem-lead-to-stem-job-after-graduation.html

Anonymous wrote:I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers. Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported. And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college. That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse. And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out.

Anonymous wrote:I’m married to a chief software architect et, etc, etc, impressive title who has been at it at a high level for 25+ years, has a number of patents in his name, etc, etc. and who at this point manages more than he would prefer (and is digging in hard about managing even more). He will say two things about H1Bs, which no one pointing fingers on here will.

First— depending on the employer, H1Bs absolutely are abused by American employers. Paid less, worked to death and have zero room to complain, because if they are fired, they have a very short period of time to get another company to pick up their visa or they are deported. And these are people who own homes in this county, pay taxes and pay into SS (but may well not get any money out), have spouses with jobs, contribute to the community, have their American citizen kids in school and college. That’s a lot to lose and ship overseas in 60 days or whatever the time period is. So, they put up with a lot of abuse. And you may be okay with that. But these are, by and large, good, hard working p people, and the type of immigrants who contribute and don’t cause problems. And the US has a demographics, low birth rate problem.

The second one ties in with the first. His companies want American workers. But the supply of people good enough, at a high enough level, isn’t there. When his companies can’t get H1Bs, they don’t hire 3rd tier IS citizen grads. They offshore the jobs. And to where is sometimes surprising. India and China have shown up (and China sucked because he was leading a team 12 hours away). But more recently Eastern Europe, and until a few years ago the Ukraine. But the choice is a binary H1B or American. It’s H1B or offshoring. Ask manufacturing how well forcing companies to offshore to compete works out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CS is and has been way over subscribed anyways. It started to get that way around 2010. So yes, if you are not capable of actual engineering and you managed to 💩 out a CS degree from an easy school to get into and an easy school to graduate from you are in trouble. Or if you generally have massive personality defects - which is also a major problem for CS related professionals.

LLMs have significant limitations. They also have significant advantages given the right prompting. An LLM absolutely is not general intelligenc. If you are being replaced entirely by large language model, the problem is you

It sounds like you're jealous of tech salaries, which are substantially higher than salaries for traditional engineering such as mechanical, electrical, materials, etc. People who want easy engineering degrees go into civil engineering. Everyone knows that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is so much fear about AI replacing everyone’s job. I think the fear is a bit over hyped. I read a great article on it recently https://www.datafolx.ai/blog/will-ai-reduce-jobs-a-wake-up-call-for-business-leaders

It’s already affecting illustrators and creative workers so please have some empathy. This is a real threat for many people. It’s not a good thing to eliminate creative work and hand control over to massive corporations. That’s giant step backwards for society. AI should be used for tasks that are too complex for most humans rather than putting artists out of work. Artists and the human touch is a good thing and not something that should be “owned” by Adobe, Apple and Microsoft.

There is still a need for artists and humans and there always will be. Consumers determine the market. If you want to see more creative work then refuse to engage with AI work. It’s not the same quality as human art anyways. Research is showing humans naturally are less interested in ai art and writing.

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Anonymous wrote:There is so much fear about AI replacing everyone’s job. I think the fear is a bit over hyped. I read a great article on it recently https://www.datafolx.ai/blog/will-ai-reduce-jobs-a-wake-up-call-for-business-leaders

It’s already affecting illustrators and creative workers so please have some empathy. This is a real threat for many people. It’s not a good thing to eliminate creative work and hand control over to massive corporations. That’s giant step backwards for society. AI should be used for tasks that are too complex for most humans rather than putting artists out of work. Artists and the human touch is a good thing and not something that should be “owned” by Adobe, Apple and Microsoft.

Anonymous wrote:Why do people blame Democrats for H 1 Bs? The blame should be placed where it rightly belongs on the corporations who bring them in for less pay!! But I know you think corporations are paragons of efficiency and moral righteousness, which is why you are supporting the move to a CEO King instead of President. Corporations DGAF about their employees; they only care about profit. Cheap labor is in their best interest; while paying more for Americans is not.

Anonymous wrote:There is so much fear about AI replacing everyone’s job. I think the fear is a bit over hyped. I read a great article on it recently https://www.datafolx.ai/blog/will-ai-reduce-jobs-a-wake-up-call-for-business-leaders