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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

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I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you. [/quote]

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?   [/quote]

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing. [/quote]

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

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IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions."  You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified. [/quote]

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

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PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...[/quote]

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary. [/quote]

We all agree that there is immigration fraud, but as an immigrant myself, who has had to disburse 10s of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees and prepare reams of paperwork to prove that I am, in fact, a highly-educated person who will benefit the US, I can guarantee that USCIS, that very hardworking and painstaking agency, does an EXCELLENT JOB of weeding out fraud! The hoops are mind-boggling, PP. You can't even imagine it if you haven't lived it as a visa or green card-seeking immigrant. I weighed the file I had to send to USCIS lately for my green card application. 5 pounds of paper. Representing a lifetime's worth of professional achievements, awards, salaries, research publications.

USCIS even asked if I had a Nobel Prize. Can you re-read this please? They asked, if I was the recipient of a Nobel, to please include this in my award list. Sure, no biggie, I'll get that to you by return post :-)

Believe me, those of us who have truck with immigration services KNOW very little fraud escapes them. Hence why I am telling you that green card marriages are scrutinized very carefully, just like everything that crosses their desks! You have some very dedicated people working at USCIS.

Now someone who crosses the southern border because there's no wall and no supervision of said border? Another story entirely. I am all for building a wall. The only problem is that it costs billions, and some parts of the border are not really buildable. But a longer wall would be nice, so that we can avoid the degradation and inhumanity of rounding up people like cattle and sending them to a notoriously horrific prison in El Salvador or Guantanamo. This would never happen if we didn't let them in in the first place...

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