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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary.

Are you saying that we should add fuel to the fire by making repeated threads about immigrants? Making them the boogie man and the reason for everyone's suffering. Not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

Maybe go back and read what I wrote. You're proving my point!

Making unsubstantiated claims that green card fraud is common is not innocent nor is it innocuous. How do you not get that?

Ok, so you're refusing to read the post directly above yours. No where in that post did it say anything of the sort. It's pretty clear that you have an agenda here and I'm not falling for it. Have fun arguing.

The only agenda that I have is that we don't disseminate misinformation and propaganda. What is your agenda?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary.

We all agree that there is immigration fraud, but as an immigrant myself, who has had to disburse 10s of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees and prepare reams of paperwork to prove that I am, in fact, a highly-educated person who will benefit the US, I can guarantee that USCIS, that very hardworking and painstaking agency, does an EXCELLENT JOB of weeding out fraud! The hoops are mind-boggling, PP. You can't even imagine it if you haven't lived it as a visa or green card-seeking immigrant. I weighed the file I had to send to USCIS lately for my green card application. 5 pounds of paper. Representing a lifetime's worth of professional achievements, awards, salaries, research publications.

USCIS even asked if I had a Nobel Prize. Can you re-read this please? They asked, if I was the recipient of a Nobel, to please include this in my award list. Sure, no biggie, I'll get that to you by return post

Believe me, those of us who have truck with immigration services KNOW very little fraud escapes them. Hence why I am telling you that green card marriages are scrutinized very carefully, just like everything that crosses their desks! You have some very dedicated people working at USCIS.

Now someone who crosses the southern border because there's no wall and no supervision of said border? Another story entirely. I am all for building a wall. The only problem is that it costs billions, and some parts of the border are not really buildable. But a longer wall would be nice, so that we can avoid the degradation and inhumanity of rounding up people like cattle and sending them to a notoriously horrific prison in El Salvador or Guantanamo. This would never happen if we didn't let them in in the first place...

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary.

Are you saying that we should add fuel to the fire by making repeated threads about immigrants? Making them the boogie man and the reason for everyone's suffering. Not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

Maybe go back and read what I wrote. You're proving my point!

Making unsubstantiated claims that green card fraud is common is not innocent nor is it innocuous. How do you not get that?

Ok, so you're refusing to read the post directly above yours. No where in that post did it say anything of the sort. It's pretty clear that you have an agenda here and I'm not falling for it. Have fun arguing.

Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a friend and he mentioned that he’s been propositioned several times for a sham marriage to perpetrate green card fraud (was brought up because I’m dating someone here on a visa and things are starting to get serious). He said it’s actually very common in many communities to do this where someone gets legally married and fakes their relationship history, and it’s often difficult for USCIS to prove.

It kind of blew my mind that people will risk imprisonment and go through the hassle of marrying someone you don’t love just to make $10-20k. Why doesn’t this get talked about more?

Very common.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.

No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.

Negative. I am 4:18. I think the uninformed person might just be you.

You're the one who went to a green card wedding? So you happily participated in the fraud and scam and now you're here complaining about it?

Riiiighhhhtttt.

Show me where I was complaining about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary.

Are you saying that we should add fuel to the fire by making repeated threads about immigrants? Making them the boogie man and the reason for everyone's suffering. Not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

Maybe go back and read what I wrote. You're proving my point!

Making unsubstantiated claims that green card fraud is common is not innocent nor is it innocuous. How do you not get that?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary.

Are you saying that we should add fuel to the fire by making repeated threads about immigrants? Making them the boogie man and the reason for everyone's suffering. Not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

Maybe go back and read what I wrote. You're proving my point!

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

Yes, I understand! I wasn't attacking you, but just trying to spread some common sense facts about college admissions. We need to combat these xenophobes every time they turn up. Whack-a-mole job.

Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary.

Are you saying that we should add fuel to the fire by making repeated threads about immigrants? Making them the boogie man and the reason for everyone's suffering. Not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

Yes, I understand! I wasn't attacking you, but just trying to spread some common sense facts about college admissions. We need to combat these xenophobes every time they turn up. Whack-a-mole job.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this going to be one of those anti-immigrant threads again?

Because I'm a foreigner who has lived here for 20 years, legally and paying all state and federal taxes, and I don't know a single person who has done this. I haven't even HEARD of a single person who has done this.

So if posters respond saying "yes, it happens in some communities more than others", OK, I can believe that, but I refuse to believe it's happening en masse!

I am also a naturalized immigrant and don't know a single person who did this either. I completely agree with you.

Perhaps both of you move in circles where you had other options. Maybe you came over on an H1-B visa and adjusted your status? No one is saying this happens en masse, but that doesn't mean it's rare. This isn't the type of thing that gets talked about openly so unless you were really close with someone, would you actually even know?

The title of this thread is literally "is green card marriage fraud common?"

I can tell you with absolute certainty that any immigrant hanging out with other immigrants would be more privy to this information than Americans. Immigrants feel safer sharing with other people in similar situations. It's not rocket science. So the fact that neither one of us knows of other examples should tell you something.

I already said upthread that of course, it happens. It's a huge country and fraud happens in every possible facet of the government. It is not wide spread and people do get caught trying to game the system.

The immigrant hate even on this liberal site is unbelievable to me, however. We are not the boogie man you should be chasing.

NP. Please stop with this anti-immigrant victim nonsense. Liberals on this site absolutely love immigrants and almost always give them a free pass here.

I've met three people who committed marriage fraud or were propositioned. Does this mean that it's pervasive? No, but I doubt there is any data on fraudulent marriages because you don't know what you don't know.

IS that why we are seeing thread after thread of "is it going to be easier for my kid to get into college now that that are going be fewer immigrants?" and "is green card marriage fraud common?" or any other thread in the last couple of months regarding immigrants.

It's daily!!! So perhaps it's not the liberals on this site that are starting the threads, but it's not stopping some of the liberals at least from being giddy about some of the stuff that is happening or "just asking questions." You are being disengenbous if you deny that it has intensified.

I went to grad school in the US on an F1 student visa. International students make up what, 5%, at most of the entire college student population in America. And they're more common in grad school than in undergrad, for the very pertinent reason that most undergrads in other countries are much more affordable than here; whereas US grad schools are better funded than others, so if people want to go into research, they like to come here to do it. It's a brain drain that works in America's favor, because most Americans who have paid a mint for college don't really want to go into publicly-funded research, vs med school or biotech, etc.

So.

Even if you oust ALL the international undergrads, your kid doesn't have a much better chance of getting in.

PP you're responding. I know that and there have already been a couple of threads on this which i do not wish to revisit. I was commenting on the fact that a year ago no one would have started them, but now...

DP. Well a year ago our country wasn't implementing tariffs or sharing military plans over unsecured text messages. And? Things change. Not for the better, I'll give you that. I can't comment on the tone of the prior threads but this one seemed relatively innocuous. There IS immigration fraud in this context but saying that or discussing it doesn't make it anti-immigrant. Starting a thread about it doesn't necessarily make it anti-immigrant any more than starting a thread in the relationships forum about how you're angry with DH means you're anti-men. But it does seem like a lot of people like to jump to conclusions and read into things more than necessary.

Anonymous wrote:I was talking to a friend and he mentioned that he’s been propositioned several times for a sham marriage to perpetrate green card fraud (was brought up because I’m dating someone here on a visa and things are starting to get serious). He said it’s actually very common in many communities to do this where someone gets legally married and fakes their relationship history, and it’s often difficult for USCIS to prove.

It kind of blew my mind that people will risk imprisonment and go through the hassle of marrying someone you don’t love just to make $10-20k. Why doesn’t this get talked about more?

Because once you are a part of that community, lots of people who need GC become very dear to you. I don’t know of cases of outright fraud - marrying a total stranger, but I would do it for a close friend. Heck, my college boyfriend was a closeted gay, and if I knew, I would totally offer it to him for free, just to get him out of the home country. That marriage would have been way better than many on DCUM. I didn’t know, and he stayed in the closet back home, and eventually died of AIDS. His sister still thinks he must have gotten it from some dental work.

Anonymous wrote:I know two undesirable American men who married pretty foreign wives. Without getting into the details, It’s caused heartbreak for both men. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.

We’re not talking about that. At least one party went in believing it was a real marriage.

We’re talking about where both parties from the start agree that the marriage isn’t real and usually some money is exchanged to the person sponsoring them as compensation.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet every single person responding "yes, it is very common" doesn't ACTUALLY know anyone who got married just for a green card. This uninformed nonsense has to stop.

No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.

What makes you think that the PPs don't know anyone IRL? Just because you don't know anyone doesn't mean it's uncommon. I personally know of 2 and I've heard of a few others (close friends of friends or family). I also used to be in a line of work where immigration status was my focus, and there were some couples that I suspected but didn't know for sure.

If you know anything about immigration law--and I'm guessing you don't--there are only so many ways to become a green card holder and many of those options don't apply to most people.

I actually do. I'm an immigrant myself. I applied for a green card and citizenship on my own. Spent the last 20 years working in the field.

I spend a lot of time in immigrant communities. But, sure you tangentially heard someone may have done it so your natural conclusion is that the fraud is wide spread. Do YOU know how complicated it is to obtain a green card, especially through marriage? I don't think you do.

Where did I say the fraud was wide spread? I also said I personally know of 2 marriages where this happened. I also happen to know exactly how difficult it is to obtain permanent residency through marriage. It's expensive and it takes years. Lots of paperwork. It can also be complicated depending on the circumstances of the individuals involved. I know this because I used to work in that field. That's also why I hold the opinion that I do. Sounds like your experience in your immigration community is different than mine.

I'm not trying to suggest that most immigrants are engaging in fraud--I don't believe that to be true--but I stand by my opinion that marriage fraud is more common than most people think. But compared to the other immigration issues going on, it's the least of the issues.

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No, it is not common. Yes, it does happen.

I worked for a few years in a third world country, and it was so dangerous that I could only leave the compound in an armed vehicle. My driver had a sister in a green card marriage in San Fran, and we had another local worker in the compound whose brother was in the US in a green card marriage even though he had another wife at home. These guys talked about these things openly. It is super common in ethnic communities from this country in the US and UK. They have a whole industry of corrupt “agents” who help young men from this place get into the UK, but there is also a thriving tradition of marrying cousins already in the UK to get more of the family there. This is all very real and kind of shocking that it is so blatant.

You're such a liar. There are much easier ways to implement chain immigration than marriage. USCIS investigates green card requests from married non-citizens extremely thoroughly.

Thank goodness DCUM has educated, knowledgeable people who can shoot down your claims. It's sad that you might be successfully spreading this sort of misinformation online in places where people aren't armed with enough knowledge to combat your propaganda.

I am not lying! It is true. Sorry if that offends you.

I didn’t say anything about “chain immigration”: I said what I had observed about green card marriage and some other illegal manners of immigration. This was something I had never seen before and would not have believed if I had not lived in that place either. Oh, and I have also lived in Eastern Europe, and while I saw the “marriage tours” of loser Western men coming to Kyiv to buy a pretty wife, that wasn’t quite the same thing.

What you described is chain immigration yet you don't know what it is called. but here you are telling us you were a witness to it, front and center. Why didn't you report these people to the embassy?