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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The number of low income students going to college dropped during covid and is now dropping again because of the FAFSA f**-up. This is going to lead to more income inequality. But on dcum, everyone is yelling about the unfair advantage first gen and poor students get and plotting how they can look like they are first gen.

The whole thing is sad and gross.[/quote]

we are the only country in the world that pays for people that aren't citizens to be educated in higher institutions. It's laughable in other countries. [/quote]

We don't pay for international students to attend college here. Vast majority are FULL pay with little to no merit (and merit is from the school not the govt if it's received).  If anything, them coming reduces the tuition rates for everyone else. [/quote]

I kinda agree and disagree with both of you..

Yes, International students are full pay barring some merit aid (not much). However, some undocumented immigrants/immigrants without a clear path to residency or citizenship in this country are still technically foreigners and they qualify for need-based aid, sometimes amounting to a free ride.

No, we don't need foreigners to subsidize costs. That would make sense if foreigners are only allowed to go to schools that Americans aren't fighting over each other to attend (say T50.. maybe it's T30). Rather, they compete with US full pay students and take away seats at top schools. I'd rather my full pay kid get that seat at Harvard that was given to a foreigner and 'subsidize' costs for Harvard.[/quote]

See I love that my kid is at a T50 private school where about 25% are International students.  They love the diversity. It is the private school's choice as to whom to admit.  All of the international students are full pay, thereby helping to keep down tuition costs and actually providing more merit aid for those "US people" who truly need it.

Those "undocumented immigrants" are not free loading, their parents are contributing to society, often doing jobs that you and most other US citizens refuse to do (it's beneath you).  Often paying into a system that they cannot access the benefits.   I'd rather their kids get a college education and become contributors to the system rather than a drain on the system in the future.  Just the same as I want any kid with ability to go to college to get that---education is the key to getting the next generation out of lower income/poverty.  
Also, most immigrants are not the "drain on our system".  Far more uneducated US citizens in  that are a drain on our system than any immigrant.  Most are working their asses off to succeed---they came here to escape a life much worse than any here can really imagine and majority work to make something for themselves.  [/quote]

Easy there cowgirl! I wasn't judging the undocumented people getting free rides. Just point out that there are some 'foreigners' (and these people are) that do. In some states, undocumented and DACA kids (not US citizens of residents) qualify for in-state tuition, while Americans born in another state don't. I sure would love to pay in-state tuition at Berkeley for my kid, but they need my full tuition to subsidize some foreigners who are in the country illegally. But..discussion on the pros and cons of that is for another thread.

My point about not needing International students to subsidize our education still stands. If the school is in demand among Americans, that international student would have easily been replaced by a full-pay American who will them be doing the subsidizing. Also, it's all great that we want diversity and pretty flowers in the park once we are 'in'. Let's say your kid didn't get into this T50 private but ended up at a T100 private (yuck), and you find out that 25% of the students at the T50 private your son didn't get into are International students, I bet your POV would be quite different. There are many Americans in those shoes.

And the third point.. While these schools are private, they don't pay their fair share of taxes. Guess, who's filling that gap? You and I, the tax payers. We should have a say in how they are run and what they do. [/quote]

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