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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The number of low income students going to college dropped during covid and is now dropping again because of the FAFSA f**-up. This is going to lead to more income inequality. But on dcum, everyone is yelling about the unfair advantage first gen and poor students get and plotting how they can look like they are first gen.

The whole thing is sad and gross.[/quote]

we are the only country in the world that pays for people that aren't citizens to be educated in higher institutions. It's laughable in other countries. [/quote]

We don't pay for international students to attend college here. Vast majority are FULL pay with little to no merit (and merit is from the school not the govt if it's received).  If anything, them coming reduces the tuition rates for everyone else. [/quote]

I kinda agree and disagree with both of you..

Yes, International students are full pay barring some merit aid (not much). However, some undocumented immigrants/immigrants without a clear path to residency or citizenship in this country are still technically foreigners and they qualify for need-based aid, sometimes amounting to a free ride.

No, we don't need foreigners to subsidize costs. That would make sense if foreigners are only allowed to go to schools that Americans aren't fighting over each other to attend (say T50.. maybe it's T30). Rather, they compete with US full pay students and take away seats at top schools. I'd rather my full pay kid get that seat at Harvard that was given to a foreigner and 'subsidize' costs for Harvard.[/quote]

See I love that my kid is at a T50 private school where about 25% are International students.  They love the diversity. It is the private school's choice as to whom to admit.  All of the international students are full pay, thereby helping to keep down tuition costs and actually providing more merit aid for those "US people" who truly need it.

Those "undocumented immigrants" are not free loading, their parents are contributing to society, often doing jobs that you and most other US citizens refuse to do (it's beneath you).  Often paying into a system that they cannot access the benefits.   I'd rather their kids get a college education and become contributors to the system rather than a drain on the system in the future.  Just the same as I want any kid with ability to go to college to get that---education is the key to getting the next generation out of lower income/poverty.  
Also, most immigrants are not the "drain on our system".  Far more uneducated US citizens in  that are a drain on our system than any immigrant.  Most are working their asses off to succeed---they came here to escape a life much worse than any here can really imagine and majority work to make something for themselves.  [/quote]

Sorry, need to respond to this:  "Those "undocumented immigrants" are not free loading, their parents are contributing to society, often doing jobs that you and most other US citizens refuse to do (it's beneath you)."

Americans generally don't do these jobs because they see it as "beneath them," they don't do this jobs because the wages offered aren't high enough.  People need to stop thinking of immigration as a left/right issue and more of a class warfare issue.  [b]Open borders BY DEFINITION depress wages at the bottom of the scale, which is why corporations/big business, which talk such a big game about border security, actually love the status quo.[/b]  Why pay higher wages and deal with a unionized workforce when you can just hire undocumented immigrants under the table and pay them peanuts for unpleasant and often dangerous work?
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Whew — it’s a good thing that “open borders” only exist in crazy insurgent Republican fever dreams.

Meanwhile in the real world, US Border Partrol agents are working tirelessly to enforce restrictive US immigration policies and deporting people from the US daily —- despite those on the US political right pushing the notion that the US has open border to try to create a border crisis.

Also, you may want to read some economics.  The question of the net impact of immigration on the US standard of living has been studied endlessly, and it’s been found to be a huge win for US citizens’ quality of life.

“ The evidence suggests that when immigration increases the supply of labor, firms increase investment to offset any reduction in capital per worker, thereby keeping average wages from falling over the long term. Moreover, immigrants are often imperfect substitutes for native-born workers in U.S. labor markets. That means they do not compete for the same jobs and put minimal downward pressure on natives’ wages.”

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

Economist - shortfall in immigration is a problem for America. 
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/07/28/a-shortfall-in-immigration-has-become-an-economic-problem-for-america?ppccampaignID=&ppcadID=&ppcgclID=&utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&utm_source=google&ppccampaignID=17210591673&ppcadID=&utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwwMqvBhCtARIsAIXsZpaf1gnsGDH7xgQ99z7t2Ao0rU38Yy-Jeo1gPJ1VxgkpmFD9DkcDUJMaAjxVEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

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