Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Lies! This poster twists facts to push their agenda. Ignore them.

Anonymous wrote:This week's news about a Texas version of the law that is being amended in the OP:

Citizen arrested for "disrupting" a county meeting by using a swear word to refer to the murder of his child and the police who abbetted.

https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/cross-arrested-after-outburst-during-county-meeting/

We don't need to enable heavy handed police state to control people who are being "disruptive".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our culture is circling the drain.

Only Donald Trump and the Christian right can save us!

It's certainly not going to be Biden and the Democrats. Looks like they are the ones who got us into this situation in the first place, with their complete disregard for law and order. We need balance.

Sure. Let’s balance it out by supporting a crotch-grabbing, tax-dodging, disease-spreading, democracy-hating liar who wouldn’t know truth or morality if it hit him in the face. A wanna be dictator will be great for teaching proper behavior.

That’s a much better option than a compassionate, intelligent and experienced leader who is trying to dig us out of a hole left by his immoral predecessor.

Balance would be common sense consequences for bad behavior that are tailored to the offense. I don’t think punishments will work on the most troubled kids but a free pass is not appropriate either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our culture is circling the drain.

Only Donald Trump and the Christian right can save us!

It's certainly not going to be Biden and the Democrats. Looks like they are the ones who got us into this situation in the first place, with their complete disregard for law and order. We need balance.

Anonymous wrote:This week's news about a Texas version of the law that is being amended in the OP:

Citizen arrested for "disrupting" a county meeting by using a swear word to refer to the murder of his child and the police who abbetted.

https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/cross-arrested-after-outburst-during-county-meeting/

We don't need to enable heavy handed police state to control people who are being "disruptive".

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why anyone would support exempting kids who threaten the lives of others, especially authority figures who are on the front lines, from punishments. What is the rationale? Are we encouraging school shooters now?

Has your child ever threatened you or another child? Ever?

I'm sure you'll say "no, my golden child never does anything like that". But think about all your friends who aren't as good parents as you and their kids, who go on fortnite and yell threats at each other, or throw controllers at TV screens

the law actually is in line with all laws in the united states. there is a difference between a threat and a credible theat.

You can't just arrest someone for saying a threat unless they can carry it out.

The old law is not in line with that. That's what the new law is (hamfistedly) changing. The new law doesn't make anything legal that way already illegal outside school. It simply removes extra prohibitions on behavior of students in schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why anyone would support exempting kids who threaten the lives of others, especially authority figures who are on the front lines, from punishments. What is the rationale? Are we encouraging school shooters now?

Has your child ever threatened you or another child? Ever?

I'm sure you'll say "no, my golden child never does anything like that". But think about all your friends who aren't as good parents as you and their kids, who go on fortnite and yell threats at each other, or throw controllers at TV screens

the law actually is in line with all laws in the united states. there is a difference between a threat and a credible theat.

You can't just arrest someone for saying a threat unless they can carry it out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

No, SRO's were given backup and offices. They were removed from disciplining children because that is not their job, they are only involved in crimes. You ask any SRO who is trying to build relationships with teens if they are glad to not be involved in discipline each and everyone will tell you it's an improvement.

I not only work in schools, but my H is a cop.

Our experience is W schools won't even let cops in the school so their statistics look better and they are more likely to get parents to agree to therapy instead of discipline.

yes, variability is an issue, but a W school kid has drugs, they call the parents and the parents get a therapist involved quickly... looks good in the courts too.

We need to stop moving kids around schools, if they can't go to their home school, move them to an alternative school or homeschool.

Sheinbein who is a perfect example, went to W school, was a huge problem, moved to a downcounty school.

We need to stop wringing hands over a kid that is rude and focus on kids who are dangerous.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

SROs were diluted and renamed as CEOs. So we have them, but we have a worse, less effective version of them.

If you think there's no difference then you're either not in schools or willfully ignorant.

As far as kids still disciplined, I imagine there's variance by school. I will tell you at my kids' DCC high school, Kennedy, discipline is lax and nonexistent. I believe the W schools have admin teams that might be firmer on this front though. I don't know. That's the problem with MCPS: There's so much variability that it's to pin down which problems are systemic or school-specific. But given that student discipline is a systemwide complaint, I'm inclined to believe it's systemic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly better older article.

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/maryland-dems-want-to-drop-penalties-for-students-who-commit-certain-crimes-at-school-democrats-annapolis-md-project-baltimore-crisis-in-the-classroom-sheila-ruth-law-proposal-bill-

Obviously "put kids in jail" and "do nothing" are both bad options. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if the police came to arrest your kids every time they talked back to you or slapped their sibling. So why is it OK in school?

We need sensible tools for classroom safety, including separating children who can't control their behavior, while still providing educational opportunity and showing respect.

How has that gone so far? My experience as a parent has been that MCPS tied the hands of teachers and administrators to deal with violent and predatory children, in the name of "ending the school to prison pipeline."

Detention and suspension were taken off the table, and SROs were removed from schools. In return, we were supposed to get increased mental health support, alternative placements, and actual tools for keeping classrooms safe.

None of those materialized. So now teachers and administrators have no tools at their disposal other than building a case strong enough to get kids moved to another school, which is bad for everyone.

We've given this approach a chance, and schools have become less safe as a result. Let's stop the insanity and give teachers and administrators a full set of tools to deal with violent kids in the classroom.

SRO's were not removed from the school.

Kids are still disciplined.

You seem to be really out of touch of what is really going on.

What is missing, has been missing for 25 years is expulsion and making it easier for principals to send kids to alternate schools.

That is not new.

Do you actually work in a school? I already know the answer.....