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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m not Catholic. I do think this is awful. But I also wonder if you’re equally as obsessive on the school and Family fora, or [b]whether you bother to report on leaders from other faiths[/b], every time there’s a news report about molestation. [/quote]

This.  The media and liberals seem to have an obsession with Catholics that do wrong.  Protestants, Muslims, Jews - they all get a pass.[/quote]

No, there’s plenty of coverage when an evangelical pastor is busted for gay s*x.

The media/popular attention is due to the fact that these guys are massive hypocrites. Trying to exert control over other people’s sexuality and reproduction, including through political influence, and meanwhile engaged in the most rank personal conduct. As for Catholics, there is plenty of evidence that  the Catholic Church specifically has an abuse problem caused by the celibacy requirement and the type of people who are attracted to that, plus access to minors, and a culture of covering up abuse. [/quote]

Kindly cite the “evidence” you claim allegedly linking celibacy to a propensity to commit sexual abuse.

As for “the type of people attracted to that,” people who engage in sexual activity with minors, or with anyone, by definition are not celibate.

The rate of sexual abuse by educators, police, foster parents, prison personnel, scouting and coaching personnel, and non-Catholic clergy vastly exceeds anything even alleged, let alone proven at any time against clergy in the Catholic Church. The rate in schools is estimated to be at least 100x that alleged against the Church.  The vast majority of the persons committing such abuse are married/non-celibate. [/quote]

Kindly cite the "evidence" for your assertion that non-catholic clergy abuse at a higher rate than catholic clergy [/quote]

The assertion about non-Catholic educators is something that's kicking around hard-right, Christian nationalist circles.  When they bother to cite any evidence, they all link back to a Pennsylvania state government cite that misquotes a Department of Education meta-analysis of studies of sexual abuse AND MISCONDUCT.  Some important notes about this:

- The DOE analysis includes public and private schools, and several of the incidents of misconduct cited are specifically Catholic clergy abusing children.
- The meta-analysis includes "misconduct", including, e.g., adult school employees saying inappropriate things (e.g. a dirty joke) unknowingly within the hearing of a student.  If that's reported, it's included as sexual misconduct.

Of course, all sexual abuse and misconduct by anyone should be investigated and reported, but trying to use an analysis that includes both rape by priests as well as one adult making an inappropriate comment to another adult to claim that other organizations are as bad as the Catholic church, which as a matter of policy approved at the highest levels actively covered up priests raping children in their care, is very disingenuous.

People on this board claim anti-Catholic bias whenever this topic comes up, but the facts are what they are -- the church actively covered up abuse for at least 60 years, and leadership actively participated.  For people like me who had no particular opinion about the Catholic church before learning about this, I'm baffled at folks defending this atrocity.[/quote]

Where is the defense? I missed it.[/quote]

you missed the guy claiming that the Catholic Church has a sterling child protection record and anyone claiming otherwise is just a guilty sinner?[/quote]

Yep missed that one and all the other "folks" defending it. Struggling to find a single defense here. It's outrageous when a clergy member does this. It's outrageous every time it happens whether it's a teacher, coach, doctor, neighbor, or any other person. It's extra outrageous when it's a father, grandfather, or other close relative. You choose to be extra outraged only when it's a Catholic.[/quote]

DP. This. Abuse is horrible and I haven't seen a single post here defending it. But where are the posters foaming at the mouth about the larger numbers of victims who were molested by a teacher, coach, doctor, or family member? It seems both bigoted and hypocritical. [/quote]

LOVE it. Any criticism of the Church or a priest is “bigoted.”

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No, and you know it. Your highly selective criticism is what's bigoted and hypocritical. Come back after you've started furious threads about abuse by teachers, coaches, doctors or family members. [/quote]

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