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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.[/quote]

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter. [/quote]
Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.[/quote]

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say. [/quote]

Criminologist here. It is a thing -- it's called differential offending, and it is well documented. I alluded to it when discussing how many African Americans do not trust the criminal justice system and therefore a few may engage in vigilante justice.  There are multiple reasons for it, primarily stemming from the multiple impacts of structural racism.  Differences in environment absolutely can create differences in behavior.  The thing is, it's just a very few perpetrators compared to the entire population. And that is what people need to realize and take to heart. The upper middle class Black kid in your daughter's class can listen to violent gangster rap all day long and never lift a finger to hurt someone. Never participate in a car meet up. Never smoke weed and never even lay eyes on a gun. But perhaps the lower-income Black kid with undiagnosed oppositional defiance disorder, with no access to therapy or other health system supports, may listen to that music and be influenced enough to settle an interpersonal conflict with a knife or a gun.

So when people want to blame all Black people, or think Black people have some innate propensity for violence, THAT is racist. But racial disparities in offenders? That is fact and it is not racist to recognize it. In fact, we won't be able to help fix it if we don't acknowledge it.

(And none of this is meant to negate differential processing by the criminal justice system. Both are real. We just talk about one far more than the other.)[/quote]

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