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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

Criminologist here. It is a thing -- it's called differential offending, and it is well documented. I alluded to it when discussing how many African Americans do not trust the criminal justice system and therefore a few may engage in vigilante justice. There are multiple reasons for it, primarily stemming from the multiple impacts of structural racism. Differences in environment absolutely can create differences in behavior. The thing is, it's just a very few perpetrators compared to the entire population. And that is what people need to realize and take to heart. The upper middle class Black kid in your daughter's class can listen to violent gangster rap all day long and never lift a finger to hurt someone. Never participate in a car meet up. Never smoke weed and never even lay eyes on a gun. But perhaps the lower-income Black kid with undiagnosed oppositional defiance disorder, with no access to therapy or other health system supports, may listen to that music and be influenced enough to settle an interpersonal conflict with a knife or a gun.

So when people want to blame all Black people, or think Black people have some innate propensity for violence, THAT is racist. But racial disparities in offenders? That is fact and it is not racist to recognize it. In fact, we won't be able to help fix it if we don't acknowledge it.

(And none of this is meant to negate differential processing by the criminal justice system. Both are real. We just talk about one far more than the other.)

So how do we successfully combat the increase in crime when our politicians direct our police and the criminal justice system to be soft on crime? Same thing is happening at schools with the removal of SROs and restorative justice practices.; none of which has improved crime rates at MCPS. In fact, it's worse. I don't see a way out since these days, being tough on crime is viewed as racist or being a Trumper. The problem with this is that people will just get fed up and leave. We know cops are leaving the system, and teachers are quitting. Eventually, when housing becomes more affordable, people with means will move.

It is very weird to me to see people who self-identify as progressive liberals promote policies that undeniably reduce the quality of public goods. The response to all of these policies is to promote more inequality because people will means will start to opt out through private cars over public transport, private schools over public schools and private police forces for exclusive, private communities. It is not like we haven’t seen this before.

Exactly. This will just slowly exacerbate segregation, food desserts, crappy schools, and all the other things liberals love to complain around. There will be more and more wealthy enclaves removed from the riffraff where governments and police allow crime to run rampant and without penalty. Nobody with the means to live elsewhere would ever live in such an area.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

Criminologist here. It is a thing -- it's called differential offending, and it is well documented. I alluded to it when discussing how many African Americans do not trust the criminal justice system and therefore a few may engage in vigilante justice. There are multiple reasons for it, primarily stemming from the multiple impacts of structural racism. Differences in environment absolutely can create differences in behavior. The thing is, it's just a very few perpetrators compared to the entire population. And that is what people need to realize and take to heart. The upper middle class Black kid in your daughter's class can listen to violent gangster rap all day long and never lift a finger to hurt someone. Never participate in a car meet up. Never smoke weed and never even lay eyes on a gun. But perhaps the lower-income Black kid with undiagnosed oppositional defiance disorder, with no access to therapy or other health system supports, may listen to that music and be influenced enough to settle an interpersonal conflict with a knife or a gun.

So when people want to blame all Black people, or think Black people have some innate propensity for violence, THAT is racist. But racial disparities in offenders? That is fact and it is not racist to recognize it. In fact, we won't be able to help fix it if we don't acknowledge it.

(And none of this is meant to negate differential processing by the criminal justice system. Both are real. We just talk about one far more than the other.)

So how do we successfully combat the increase in crime when our politicians direct our police and the criminal justice system to be soft on crime? Same thing is happening at schools with the removal of SROs and restorative justice practices.; none of which has improved crime rates at MCPS. In fact, it's worse. I don't see a way out since these days, being tough on crime is viewed as racist or being a Trumper. The problem with this is that people will just get fed up and leave. We know cops are leaving the system, and teachers are quitting. Eventually, when housing becomes more affordable, people with means will move.

It is very weird to me to see people who self-identify as progressive liberals promote policies that undeniably reduce the quality of public goods. The response to all of these policies is to promote more inequality because people will means will start to opt out through private cars over public transport, private schools over public schools and private police forces for exclusive, private communities. It is not like we haven’t seen this before.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

Criminologist here. It is a thing -- it's called differential offending, and it is well documented. I alluded to it when discussing how many African Americans do not trust the criminal justice system and therefore a few may engage in vigilante justice. There are multiple reasons for it, primarily stemming from the multiple impacts of structural racism. Differences in environment absolutely can create differences in behavior. The thing is, it's just a very few perpetrators compared to the entire population. And that is what people need to realize and take to heart. The upper middle class Black kid in your daughter's class can listen to violent gangster rap all day long and never lift a finger to hurt someone. Never participate in a car meet up. Never smoke weed and never even lay eyes on a gun. But perhaps the lower-income Black kid with undiagnosed oppositional defiance disorder, with no access to therapy or other health system supports, may listen to that music and be influenced enough to settle an interpersonal conflict with a knife or a gun.

So when people want to blame all Black people, or think Black people have some innate propensity for violence, THAT is racist. But racial disparities in offenders? That is fact and it is not racist to recognize it. In fact, we won't be able to help fix it if we don't acknowledge it.

(And none of this is meant to negate differential processing by the criminal justice system. Both are real. We just talk about one far more than the other.)

So how do we successfully combat the increase in crime when our politicians direct our police and the criminal justice system to be soft on crime? Same thing is happening at schools with the removal of SROs and restorative justice practices.; none of which has improved crime rates at MCPS. In fact, it's worse. I don't see a way out since these days, being tough on crime is viewed as racist or being a Trumper. The problem with this is that people will just get fed up and leave. We know cops are leaving the system, and teachers are quitting. Eventually, when housing becomes more affordable, people with means will move.

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Anonymous wrote:Systemic racism is why there is a perception (not a reality) of an increase in crime in MoCo. Basically white people hear about a carjacking in DC and assume every Black person they see in Bethesda or Potomac is a carjacker.

There have been 12 carjackings at the Wheaton Mall in Maryland since Dec 22. I don't feel safe going to that mall anymore, but it does not mean that I now assume every black person I see is a carjacker.

Anonymous wrote:Systemic racism is why there is a perception (not a reality) of an increase in crime in MoCo. Basically white people hear about a carjacking in DC and assume every Black person they see in Bethesda or Potomac is a carjacker.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

Criminologist here. It is a thing -- it's called differential offending, and it is well documented. I alluded to it when discussing how many African Americans do not trust the criminal justice system and therefore a few may engage in vigilante justice. There are multiple reasons for it, primarily stemming from the multiple impacts of structural racism. Differences in environment absolutely can create differences in behavior. The thing is, it's just a very few perpetrators compared to the entire population. And that is what people need to realize and take to heart. The upper middle class Black kid in your daughter's class can listen to violent gangster rap all day long and never lift a finger to hurt someone. Never participate in a car meet up. Never smoke weed and never even lay eyes on a gun. But perhaps the lower-income Black kid with undiagnosed oppositional defiance disorder, with no access to therapy or other health system supports, may listen to that music and be influenced enough to settle an interpersonal conflict with a knife or a gun.

So when people want to blame all Black people, or think Black people have some innate propensity for violence, THAT is racist. But racial disparities in offenders? That is fact and it is not racist to recognize it. In fact, we won't be able to help fix it if we don't acknowledge it.

(And none of this is meant to negate differential processing by the criminal justice system. Both are real. We just talk about one far more than the other.)

So how do we successfully combat the increase in crime when our politicians direct our police and the criminal justice system to be soft on crime? Same thing is happening at schools with the removal of SROs and restorative justice practices.; none of which has improved crime rates at MCPS. In fact, it's worse. I don't see a way out since these days, being tough on crime is viewed as racist or being a Trumper. The problem with this is that people will just get fed up and leave. We know cops are leaving the system, and teachers are quitting. Eventually, when housing becomes more affordable, people with means will move.

It's not going to happen anytime soon in Maryland. The General Assembly just passed a law that severely restricts vehicle searches when pulled over for cannabis/impaired driving. That was a significant tool for police to get illegal firearms off the streets. I fully expect homicides to increase after July. And it won't be white people dying. I truly believe we have a decade of increased violent crime ahead of us before politicians wise up and see they are hurting the communities they are (legitimately) trying to help. These laws will likely increase racial disparities in community health and wellbeing.

White people may be making the most noise about crime. But it will be young Black men who suffer the most. It's really sad to me. We are smarter than this.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

Criminologist here. It is a thing -- it's called differential offending, and it is well documented. I alluded to it when discussing how many African Americans do not trust the criminal justice system and therefore a few may engage in vigilante justice. There are multiple reasons for it, primarily stemming from the multiple impacts of structural racism. Differences in environment absolutely can create differences in behavior. The thing is, it's just a very few perpetrators compared to the entire population. And that is what people need to realize and take to heart. The upper middle class Black kid in your daughter's class can listen to violent gangster rap all day long and never lift a finger to hurt someone. Never participate in a car meet up. Never smoke weed and never even lay eyes on a gun. But perhaps the lower-income Black kid with undiagnosed oppositional defiance disorder, with no access to therapy or other health system supports, may listen to that music and be influenced enough to settle an interpersonal conflict with a knife or a gun.

So when people want to blame all Black people, or think Black people have some innate propensity for violence, THAT is racist. But racial disparities in offenders? That is fact and it is not racist to recognize it. In fact, we won't be able to help fix it if we don't acknowledge it.

(And none of this is meant to negate differential processing by the criminal justice system. Both are real. We just talk about one far more than the other.)

So how do we successfully combat the increase in crime when our politicians direct our police and the criminal justice system to be soft on crime? Same thing is happening at schools with the removal of SROs and restorative justice practices.; none of which has improved crime rates at MCPS. In fact, it's worse. I don't see a way out since these days, being tough on crime is viewed as racist or being a Trumper. The problem with this is that people will just get fed up and leave. We know cops are leaving the system, and teachers are quitting. Eventually, when housing becomes more affordable, people with means will move.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

Criminologist here. It is a thing -- it's called differential offending, and it is well documented. I alluded to it when discussing how many African Americans do not trust the criminal justice system and therefore a few may engage in vigilante justice. There are multiple reasons for it, primarily stemming from the multiple impacts of structural racism. Differences in environment absolutely can create differences in behavior. The thing is, it's just a very few perpetrators compared to the entire population. And that is what people need to realize and take to heart. The upper middle class Black kid in your daughter's class can listen to violent gangster rap all day long and never lift a finger to hurt someone. Never participate in a car meet up. Never smoke weed and never even lay eyes on a gun. But perhaps the lower-income Black kid with undiagnosed oppositional defiance disorder, with no access to therapy or other health system supports, may listen to that music and be influenced enough to settle an interpersonal conflict with a knife or a gun.

So when people want to blame all Black people, or think Black people have some innate propensity for violence, THAT is racist. But racial disparities in offenders? That is fact and it is not racist to recognize it. In fact, we won't be able to help fix it if we don't acknowledge it.

(And none of this is meant to negate differential processing by the criminal justice system. Both are real. We just talk about one far more than the other.)

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

Anonymous wrote:One thing though about police reform and progressive and “woke” policies is that (and I have no evidence of this and it’s completely my speculation) I think crime increasing is less directly in response to it, knowing the education level of most average criminals, are they really watching or reading the news? I hardly think that a gang or any random 20 year old, unemployed or underemployed poorly educated male is sitting here reading the Washington Post thinking, oh, Elrich and Jawando and Mink are elected? They’re defunding the police? Oh yeah nows my chance to go steal a car and stab somebody!

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

If you feel so strongly about this issue, then come to this discussion with facts. Don't shut down conversation with the "You are a typical trumper if you say this" line.

Instead, come with facts. Show us facts that prove wrong those people who are noticing that most anti-social crime in communities (what is the proper term for it? the carjackings, gun fights, car thefts, dangerously riding atvs down neighborhood streets, etc) is being committed by a certain demographic. Show us your facts that those people are wrong and it is indeed another demographic committing those crimes instead.

Here’s a FACT:

You are blathering almost word for word what trumpers spew here every day. That’s a FACT.

I don’t care what you call yourself - you’re just another trumper.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

If you feel so strongly about this issue, then come to this discussion with facts. Don't shut down conversation with the "You are a typical trumper if you say this" line.

Instead, come with facts. Show us facts that prove wrong those people who are noticing that most anti-social crime in communities (what is the proper term for it? the carjackings, gun fights, car thefts, dangerously riding atvs down neighborhood streets, etc) is being committed by a certain demographic. Show us your facts that those people are wrong and it is indeed another demographic committing those crimes instead.

Here’s a FACT:

You are blathering almost word for word what trumpers spew here every day. That’s a FACT.

I don’t care what you call yourself - you’re just another trumper.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

If you feel so strongly about this issue, then come to this discussion with facts. Don't shut down conversation with the "You are a typical trumper if you say this" line.

Instead, come with facts. Show us facts that prove wrong those people who are noticing that most anti-social crime in communities (what is the proper term for it? the carjackings, gun fights, car thefts, dangerously riding atvs down neighborhood streets, etc) is being committed by a certain demographic. Show us your facts that those people are wrong and it is indeed another demographic committing those crimes instead.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with everything the poster up thread said in his outlined reasons. I’ll also add Black popular culture, street level culture, glorifies violence and rage. It’s a vicious cycle, with people justifying listening to this music (and driving obnoxious loud engine cars or atvs though neighborhood streets) because they’re bored/pissed off at the racist world/lacking opportunities. But it just makes them more bitter and antisocial. We’re looking to leave our neighborhood because the gulf between law abiding, friendly neighbors and antisocial criminals has gotten way out of whack. We’re moderate dems who used to consider ourselves liberals.

You’re not a progressive and I seriously doubt you’re a moderate Dem, either. You just sound 100% like a typical Trump supporter.

Comments like this are so not helpful. Democrats are absolutely allowed to notice certain cultural tendencies. They absolutley are allowed not to like/want to live among certain anti-social cultures.

This conversation absolutely needs to be had and it does no one any good when you automatically try to shut it down by saying the poster is a Trump supporter. No good at all.

Ok, if you say so…. But fair warning then - if what you’re posting is indistinguishable from something a typical trumper might say - and in this case it is - then you better expect some pushback.

I think you need to do some serious introspection if you’re agreeing with or saying things that sound like a trumper would say.