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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]@19:50-
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I told you which data I preferred and I also said that sticking with the data you accept is still bad.  Not sure why that point keeps eluding you.

I know what the solution is in the black community.  Shockingly, it is that black leaders need to go on the record in support of gay marriage - both secular leaders and the ministers.  [b]The community needs to be led[/b], and that is part of what Obama is doing.  It's also what Sharpton and Jackson have done.  But right now there are too few.  I don't have to take responsibility for every ethnic group.  I'll stick with what I know.  I also know that religion is not the only important factor regarding black opinions on gay marriage.  You can google black gay support groups and see for yourself.  Or read "The Greatest Taboo:  Homosexuality in Black Communities" by Delroy Constantine-Simms and Skip Gates, where a few essays in particular will go a long way in this discussion.  Or read something by bell hooks or Eric Brandt.  There are other issues such as the role of masculinity in the black community and preservation of the black family unit that drive the problem in addition to what is preached from the pulpit.  And because of that, yes I think it is important to address racism in the black community as a separate thing and not pretend this is just religion.   The fact is that these authors, who live in the middle of the problem, are treating it as a black social issue of which religion is one component.

So if you want to counter the O'Reilly's of the world with a state and a one liner like "it's a religion thing", go ahead.  Within the black community, the reality is much more involved.[/quote]

Would you like us to wear our collars and chains as well.  Sheesh.  [/quote]

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