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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]@19:50-

1. I'm not angry and I'm not sure how you got anger from my post. If you don't believe the data and don't have any data on hand that you do believe, there really isn't much point in discussing it further.

2. Your focus on being "unhappy" with large blocks of people instead of focusing on ways to change their thinking is strange but telling.

3. [quote]Would you not hold whites accountable for discrimination against black people? Would you only look at the root causes, say white poverty or their churches? No.[/quote]

How can you claim that without knowing me or how I think? It's actually insulting. Because I don't believe people are inherently racist, of course I study the root causes of racism. I do the same for other forms of prejudice. You can't contribute to progress if you can't understand what needs to change. Again, your focus on holding people accountable is extreme, but it's remniscient of our society's thirst for justice above all else. I don't care about holding people accountable for racism or sexism or classism- I care about eradicating (or, more realistically, reducing) those kinds of prejudice.

4. And the white people (and people of other races) who support the ban os same-sex marriage are also overwhelmingly religious. So instead of focusing on race, why not focus on the one factor that study after study has shown is the root of the anti-gay prejudice? And you don't even have to look to research, you can read this forum. The people who are against same-sex marriage most often use religious reasons. This forum is also majority-white.

Of course, religiosity differs by race, so the approach in each "community" has to be different and tailored to that specific group of people. But this is not a race problem, it's a religious problem.

5. I agree and I'd say that for every group of people, including the group of white young adults I witnessed today, who teasing each other by calling each other fags and saying a particular friend's shorts look "faggy."[/quote]

I told you which data I preferred and I also said that sticking with the data you accept is still bad.  Not sure why that point keeps eluding you.

I know what the solution is in the black community.  Shockingly, it is that black leaders need to go on the record in support of gay marriage - both secular leaders and the ministers.  The community needs to be led, and that is part of what Obama is doing.  It's also what Sharpton and Jackson have done.  But right now there are too few.  I don't have to take responsibility for every ethnic group.  I'll stick with what I know.  I also know that religion is not the only important factor regarding black opinions on gay marriage.  You can google black gay support groups and see for yourself.  Or read "The Greatest Taboo:  Homosexuality in Black Communities" by Delroy Constantine-Simms and Skip Gates, where a few essays in particular will go a long way in this discussion.  Or read something by bell hooks or Eric Brandt.  There are other issues such as the role of masculinity in the black community and preservation of the black family unit that drive the problem in addition to what is preached from the pulpit.  And because of that, yes I think it is important to address racism in the black community as a separate thing and not pretend this is just religion.   The fact is that these authors, who live in the middle of the problem, are treating it as a black social issue of which religion is one component.

So if you want to counter the O'Reilly's of the world with a state and a one liner like "it's a religion thing", go ahead.  Within the black community, the reality is much more involved.[/quote]

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