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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Has she won yet?[/quote]

Yes she did. Her party is the first party snd her coalition will have the absolute majority in both chambers. I just hope they don’t get a high enough majority to change the constitution (I am Italian). She is a post fascist who won also because she was the only party in the opposition in the last two years snd people are angry due to economic problems Italy has. Ironically, parties in her coalition are economically irresponsible and if they do what they promised, Italy will go down like Argentina, making things even worse for the people who voted them. The other two are Salvini’s Lega party and Berlusconi’s (Forza Italia party), both of whom are in Putins pocket (Berlusconi just a few days ago stated in an interview that Putin did not really want the war, he was pushed by the Russian people what really wanted it and he just meant to go three days to Kyev, remove Zelensky and help a new government of “good people “ govern Ukraine so he is a nice guy and this is not is fault).
In the last few years several protest party went to power (see the 5 stars movement 5 years ago) but they actually try to govern, they can’t keep alll the crazy promises they make and they lose consensus and then when we are on the brink of economic collapse’, a respected technocrat is called in to lead a large coalition government, see Monti 10 years ago and then Draghi two years ago. With a new election law that gives a premium to the winning coalition, Meloni’s coalition will have the absolute majority in parliament and in theory should be able to govern without the usual give snd take. The parties in the coalition itself are not friends snd there will be a lot of infighting. Let’s see what happens

My fear is the economy going down the drain seriously (like Italy out of her euro and the break up of the EU), Italy becoming politically a new Hungary and a fifth column of Putin, especially with respect to the war in Ukraine (although meloni herself has claimed repeatedly to be staunchly on the side of Ukraine, let’s see how long that last, Salvini and Berlusconi are unabashedly per Putin), and Meloni’s government attacking  the usual scapegoats (Roma people, immigrants, LGTB people (“lobby” as Meloni has already said) when it cannot deliver on the crazy promises and people are upset.

So as an Italian and as a woman I am not happy. [/quote]

My ex worked for a PD deputato from Tuscany. Pd is seriously broken.

Bloomberg has already covered this but FdI will not pull out of the euro. Italy does have massive economic problems but Unlike the UK, most of the Italian right understands (like orban does) the value of being in the eu.

I do think Italy will increase naval patrols in the med and actively use lethal force to stop boats from Africa from landing.

[b]due to demographics and not wanting the “wrong foreigners” I can see the right trying to attract Italian Americans to try to move to Italy in quicker and larger numbers in the future[/b]

I have family living in Italy (non-white) but well off (150-200k euro per year salary) and they say it’s not that much different day to day than living in Netherlands in terms of racism/micro aggressions.

Azione and Viva would be better for the country but that won’t happen until boomers die off.

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sorry but this is ridiculous. how many Italian Americans are willing to go to Italy to pick up tomatoes for 10 euros a day, or work in restaurants and being paid off the book 4 hours when they have worked 8 (and not being paid at all), or care of an elderly person with Alzheimer around the clock with Sunday off if they are lucky for 900 euro a month? because your relatives make 200K a year do you think this is the norm for immigrants to Italy? that's a super salary for Italian standards. yes, there are expats who do well, but the bulk of the million of immigrants in Italy are from poor Eastern European countries (lots of Albanians, Rumenians and Ukranians, especially in construction, janitorial and elder care) from Africa (both North Africa and sub-saharian Africa) and most recently from Pakistan, Bangladesh and similar countries. in italy salaries are not high for American standards, taxes are high and the situation has worsened with the Euro, since now Italy cannot just devalue the currency as it routinely did with the lira).  there is a lot of exploitation and working off the books, even for Italians, and immigrants take the worse jobs. This is like when Trump said that he wanted more Norwegians to immigrate to the US and less people from poor countries and Norwegians loughed in his face, they are too rich to come to the US to work in meat packing plants.  I

the idea of the navy patrols is also ridiculous.  Italy actually did it years ago, when scores of Albanians were coming by boats. it is really not possible to block boats, its not like stopping a car on a highway.  even more difficult when the boats are driven by smugglers who dont care about obeying the rules and once a boat with hundreds of migrants refused to stop, tried to pass and  sank, killing hundreds of people. the reality is that you cannot shot at a boat with civilians, that would be a crime. so you can patrol all you want but you cannot shot and sink the boat. the idea of sending the navy against the migrants is just rethoric, throwing red meat to the base while you are unable to govern and actually improve your voters' lives. This is typical of Salvini, he goes around saying these things but when you was interior minister, he did nothing.

the right does not want to leave the Euro (the Lega party did have some anti euro rethoric until the day Brexit happened, then there was a gigantic backpedaling) because they know well that that would likely lead to the break up of the EU an Italy would be fu$$ed.  however, while Melone has tried to reassure the merkets that she will be fiscally responsible, her allies Lega and FI have clearly indiacted that they intend to run again the deficit up. the trend in the past government with Bossi/Salvini and with Berlusconi has been of irresponsible spending. they plan is just to blame the EU for being mean (like the British when they tried to blame the EU for the s$hitshow of Brexit). so while they do not want to leane the euro, their policies in favor of high spending and favoring tax evasion may bankrupt the country and lead to that result.

and when things get bad, fascists get violent. so, we will see. [/quote]

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