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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would not put too much stock in Maintenance Phase.  They did an episode on a topic on which I am a subject matter expert and the research was completely shoddy.  They missed key publications.  Their product is a product designed to generate buzz and likes, like everything else.  Plus obviously she has an agenda to advance.  Researchers need to be neutral.[/quote]

So fat people haven’t been treated poorly by health care providers?
So fat people don’t suffer from eating disorders?
So it’s really just a matter of calories in/calories out, and if fat people just had some more self-control and will power, they could fix themselves.

Is that what you’re saying? Because those are the big agenda items of Maintenance Phase, and if they’re way off base, please enlighten us. [/quote]

I skimmed the article. Agree that fat people should not be treated poorly by their doctors.

However, everything that I’ve seen on this topic says that when obese people are put into controlled environments, and what they eat is strictly controlled to what is prescribed by their doctor, they do lose weight 99% of the time. Of course, that is not a realistic solution for these societal problems. However, pretending that the causes of obesity are a mystery is not helpful in thinking about solutions for this issue.[/quote]

So if obese people could just exercise some self-control, then all their problems would be solved. They should just eat fewer calories. There isn’t anything else that might be going on like maybe different physiological reactions in different people.

Thanks for proving the point of the article: SO MANY PEOPLE DON’T GET IT.

I suppose you also believe that alcoholics and drug abusers should just try harder to stop taking those substances. If others can limit their alcohol or drug use, then why can’t everyone else? Basically that’s what you’re saying. We know that when we put alcoholics and drug users in controlled environments, they don’t use. Right? There can’t be anything else going on. It’s not a mystery. [/quote]

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, it sounds like we are saying the same thing. When addicts do not have the ability to get their drugs, they do not use. When obese individuals do not have the ability to procure excess unhealthy food, they will loose weight 99.9% of the time. Once people can acknowledge that this is the physical cause of obesity, they can work to address the emotional and societal underlying issues at play which prevent them from consuming a more optimal diet.[/quote]

NO. There’s something else going on. Read up on the success with Semaglutides such as Ozempic, Wegovy and Saxenda. They are drugs that are making people feel full faster, impacting how they think about food (stopping obsessive thinking) and impacting how carbs get metabolized. For the first time, people are able to lose weight and not feel like it’s a constant mental battle. There is a brain chemistry component here that needs to be acknowledged. [/quote]

YES. Until you can post research that shows instances where people remain obese while on controlled food intake, that is the cause of obesity. I refuse to deny the facts of basic material reality.

Now, if there are drugs which help people combat obsessive thinking, brain fogs and help them feel full faster, then I fully support and acknowledge these can help many people.[/quote]

Here’s a piece that you’re missing with your glib use of the word “controlled”: People who have been obese need significantly fewer calories to maintain their weight compared to people of the same weight who have not previously been obese.  So if you have two people, other things being equal, who weigh exactly the same, the one with a history of obesity will need far fewer calories to maintain that weight. So, while in your terms it might be “controlled “ it will be “controlled” at a level that would be unsustainable for someone of the same weight who had never been obese.

I’ve no interest in trying to change anyone’s smug version of their own “facts of basic material reality “— but did think that this information might be interesting for anyone who genuinely wants an understanding informed by current research.

https://shs.touro.edu/news/stories/obese-people-burn-calories-less-efficiently-even-after-weight-loss-surgery.php

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