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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here. I am not Ventilation lady and I have never posted on AEM and I don't belong to it either.

Why are people posting things without sources? Maybe that's my answer - the people who are demanding return right now have really, really, really strong cognitive bias and believe what they want to believe and don't seek out information.

The current vaccines are not as effective against South African strain and Brazil strain. The NYTimes article cited by a PP was based on health workers in the U.S., where the other variants were not yet circulating. In fact, the reason the J&J vaccine had lower efficacy was because it was partially tested in South Africa.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/why-coronavirus-variants-might-undercut-vaccine-efficacy
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2102214

I posted earlier that the Brazil variant reinfects people who already were infected. Also, vaccine manufacturers are actively working on new vaccines for the variants. If the current vaccines were effective, why would they work on new ones? If you don't believe me, or in science, or in data, or in news, can you at least believe in market capitalism?

Also, I don't fly, go to bars, eat at restaurants, etc. I'm not advocating for that instead of schools opening? What a straw man argument! jeez 
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Ok well just like you don’t go to bars, restaurants, etc. you also DON’T HAVE TO SEND YOUR KID TO SCHOOL. Just OPT OUT if you’re not comfortable with it. And it’s not a straw man argument. You sound like you don’t even know what that means. The point is that why are you not worried about exposure at these other locations (bars, planes, etc.) but you are worried about schools? It’s not like COVID variants act differently in a restaurant than in a school. And if society can only tolerate a certain level of potential exposure then I would argue education is vastly more important than drinking a beer at a bar. So it’s a perfectly rational point to bring up — go fight the spread of COVID at all these other locations if you’re *that* worried about the new variants.

If you aren’t worried about the spread in those places b/c you don’t go there, then why do you care about potential spread at schools when all districts have announced plans to continue with virtual. Just don’t send your kid if you’re that worried but you don’t get to take away this fundamental right from the rest of us because you think the world owes you safety from COVID.[/quote]

OP here. I'm not worried for myself! I'm not sending my kids back to in-person school in 2021. At some point I may worry about collapse of the health care system and needing to go to a hospital for something unrelated to covid, but I'm not worried about exposure because of my choices. 
  
I asked why YOU weren't worried because you are wanting to send your kids back to in-person school in 2021. I would ask the same exact question to anyone who went to a bar, went to a restaurant, or flew on a plane. In fact, I have mentioned this to friends and family last week. [/quote]

I’m not worried about schools reopening because I’m done suffering actual harm (from isolation, school closures, draining savings to pay for in-home help) because of some theoretical collapse of our healthcare system that had not yet happened even without the vaccines. If there is a bad spike, then we can reassess and do a temporary closure the way other school districts have done that have been open since last fall. But I think people who expect schools to stay closed ... until when exactly? (COVID Zero? No new variants? 100% vaccine efficacy?) ... are delusion and borderline insane. I also guess I’m a realist and accept that while I wish COVID didn’t exist, it does. I have accepted living with this risk the same way I accept all the other risks in life. I’m also tired of the goal posts moving. It seems like those who are against reopening always have a reason as to *why not* without any stated timeline for when it would be ok to reopen. There were teachers asking for NO community spread of COVID before reopening, which may legitimately never happen in our lifetimes.

The safest thing from a COVID perspective would be to close schools forever, but obviously we (sane people) recognize that would do other type of harm. So we need to balance accepting COVID with trying to counteract the harm of school closures. Because the “not yet” crowd doesn’t seem to have any good faith intent of reopening, I’m done listening to them. [/quote]

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