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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oh and also, blames the women for “picking” these men rather than asking the question “why do so many men treat women shabbily”[/quote]

We all need self responsibility though.  There are women who treat men poorly too.  The only way to protect yourself is not to put up with poor behaviour to start with.  [b]If women refused to date men like this, the men would be forced to be single or change.  Why would men change when there are so many women prepared to put up with their crazy behaviour.
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I know people don't like hearing this but you don't walk through Rome with your wallet in your back pocket, you should be able to but you can't so you protect yourself.

In relationships you have to protect yourself as well.  For me the question is why are women [b]so afraid to speak up[/b], still today, why do they have such low self esteem, why do they put up with that behaviour, they should be walking away.  [/quote]

Yup. You've cracked the code. Men are terrible because women put up with them. You've solved the mystery  :roll:

Why are women so afraid to speak up? It can't be because we live in a society where women aren't believed when they report crimes to the police.  It can't be because crimes against women are taken So Seriously that the overwhelming majority of rape kits are not tested.  There's no way it's because men with a known history of sexual harassment is moved around, even in a major West Coast company, until a former AG gets involved in the investigation.  The problem must be the women. 
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Great so eyeroll because you have gone from 0 to 1000 in one leap.  Take it to the top, to women reporting sexual assault.

How about you take it down a notch to maybe 0-100 and women can start say expecting respect in relationships.  My point is that as soon as a man shows red flags, they should be running.  As soon as he lies, as soon as he stands them up for a date, disrespects them, they walk away.  How about the first time he hits them, they leave, they don't get married to him, then stay in an abusive relationship and then a few years down the track, die at his hands.  It really is that simple, if a man gets violent to you or throws things at you, you leave, you don't stay in that relationship.  You do not ask him to change, or go to counselling, no, you pack your bag and you leave because it's unacceptable and women do this the very first time it happens.

That is the point I am making.  Men have a problem, even men are afraid of other men and their anger and violence.  Women cannot make them change but they can simply not accept this BS and perhaps slowly men may realise that this behaviour is not acceptable not only to women but to other men.

While women continue to stay in these relationships they will continue to be the victim when they don't need to be, they can walk away. It is a start but you eyeroll and come up with problems.  I am not saying women are the problem, I am saying women should protect themselves and staying with a man who hits them isn't protecting themselves.  How can you not see that?

How can you not see that numerous women would still be alive today if they had of walked away at the first punch?[/quote]

Incorrect. They would still be alive today [b]if the man hadn’t killed them[/b].  Stop trying to make them complicit in their own deaths. [/quote]

Great so you keep telling women to stay with their abusive husband because he shouldn't be abusive.  Great idea.  Yes the husband killed them and husbands will continue doing that, so the only advice I could give to a woman is to get herself out. Help herself.  It is not blaming the female, it is telling females to run and protect themselves.

Do you seriously think an abusive man is going to be told to stop and he will.  I should be able to have my wallet with all my money in my back pocket in Rome because people shouldn't steal from me but you know what they do pick pocket and so people protect themselves by putting their money elsewhere and being cautious.  Its so funny to me that it is perfectly logical to people that they understand that people do the wrong thing and they need to be careful but you are saying that women in an abusive relationship should be ok, the man shouldn't kill so that's all that needs to be said.  Uh no the person that may become a victim should protect themselves just like we do every single day in numerous different ways.  It's why we lock our house, have alarms etc.  We shouldn't have to do any of that, other people should respect our property and belongings but sometimes they don't.  Why is this any different?  In most of these cases the story isn't that it just happened, there is sometimes a long history of abuse, so perhaps rather than simply saying, its about the man, change it to its about the woman protecting herself and its ok to leave.

How can you not get that.[/quote]

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