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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The exchanges in this forum turn people off atheism, rather than towards it. The ignorance on display, the condescension, and the fact-free abuse of believers combine to make atheists and atheism seem pretty unappealing. If atheists here produced actual facts in a respectful way, things might be different [/quote]

I think most atheists would disagree with you on all points.  However, if that is true, you should welcome it.

If you want a clear, simple, non-insulting atheist position, here it is:

The claim of existence of a god or gods has not met a sufficient burden of proof.[/quote]

PP here. I stand corrected: “most” atheists is more accurate than a broad-brush characterization of all atheists. Unfortunately, it looks like there are two strident exceptions in the religion forum, and their voices drown out the thoughtful atheist posters.

As you might expect, the response to your position (which is not insulting, thanks) is that belief is called belief for a reason. It’s about faith. If we knew for certain God exists, then we wouldn’t truly have free will. We’re not asking you to buy this, but it’s “real” to us. Some believers, however,  even feel they have proof in the form of miracles or conversations with their god. [/quote]

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