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Everyone needs to listen to the experience of Black maternal mistreatment.  Not just when you're also allowed to chime in.  We need to understand this to our core and fight for better care for THEM.  As a consequence, care for all mothers will improve.  But if you insist on doing it the other way around, the disparity will still remain for Black mothers.  Unfortunately, in reality women's rights only improve when White women complain. [/quote]

I'm still not sure what your point is?  Although Black women face additional barriers due to race, there are absolutely common issues in maternity care.  Do you think white women should not take any action or voice any opinion at all, thereby not improving things for anyone?  Seriously, what is your theory of change here?  [/quote]

[I'm the poster you're quoting, but not the PP that first asked white women to listen]

I think we (non-Black women) need to beat the drums about the poor care of Black mothers.  Make that the narrative.  When we advocate for better care for Black mothers, we can address both the issues of mothers being dismissed AND the racial disparities Black mothers face in health care.  So everyone wins.  The alternative, which is the status quo, is that white women will only complain because it affects them personally.  So the change is solely for their benefit, and the racial disparity aspect is overlooked.

-signed: South Asian-American woman who works in public health and whose concerns were dismissed during childbirth to her and her baby's detriment[/quote]

And you are precisely the reason we lose elections and Trump will be re-elected (which probably hurts black women more than anyone). Intersectionality does not mean that white women are barred from talking about their own experiences - that that their narratives are not valid and should be silenced (particularly with self-internalized sexist rhetoric "listen for once," gross). Intersectionality means that there are MANY narratives. ALL valid. NONE more important than the other. Talk about the experiences of poor women who are black; talk about the experiences of poor women who are white; talk about mistreatment of MC and UMC black women; talk about the mistreatment of MC and UMC white women. White women have complained throughout history - they have frequently not been listened to - because they are women. And if you want an intersectional movement - your starting position can't be white women's experiences don't matter. We have unions in large measure because of poor immigrant white women  - are you arguing unions don't benefit black workers? Abortion is legal because, in part, because of white women plaintiffs. Are you saying access to abortion care doesn't benefit black women? White women frequently complain about all women - that's the status quo, actually. Do we need more emphasis on how WOC are mistreated (e.g., in the health care system, in the criminal justice system, in the immigration system)? Of course we do. But the voices of ALL women matter. [/quote]

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