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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ben Shapiro on Twitter:

“Which is more discriminatory: a private school requiring that its voluntary attendees abide by a code of conduct, or people saying such a school should not exist because that school disagrees with their ideas?”[/quote]

Or C) one group of people saying another group of people shouldn’t exist.  I’ll go with C as most discriminatory.[/quote]

Except “A”never said that about “C”

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If I tell you that your heterosexuality is immoral and you have to become gay that is pretty much the equivalent of saying you should not exist as you truly are. If I tell a black man he must be a white woman, that is the equivalent of me saying he shouldn't exist as he truly is.

[b]Conservative Christians don't think gays should exist. Period.[/b] [/quote]

Add SOME Catholics to the mix . . .  and SOME Muslims and SOME Jewish people and so on and so on.  Extremists stick to the literal meaning of any religious text.

So as a liberal (Am I correct in labeling you as such?), shouldn't you be accepting of an extremist's views?  If  conservative Christians wish to form a school, they have every right to do so.  YOU don't have to join.  YOU don't have to believe in their doctrine.  You simply have to accept that they have a right to do so.

Why is this so hard for some?  Beliefs are beliefs.  Unless they become violent, which is always a possibility for ANY group - regardless of political or religious beliefs, let them be.  They will exist in their bubble - a pocket w/in the greater US.

But the hypocrisy is embedded within your belief system - that anything goes (males into females, females into males, yada yada) unless it offends you. A transsexual may offend a conservative Christian, and the conservative Christian may offend you b/c of his/her views on homosexuality. [/quote]

Yes, I am a liberal and I grew up in a Catholic family so I am very familiar with the Catholic stance, which I completely disagree with. Though at least it's a bit more humanitarian than wanting to kill gays or telling them they have to "convert." They just have to suppress their own being, which is come to think of it pretty darn awful.

I would never say this school doesn't have the right to exist -- can you find above a sentence where it says "this school needs to shut down"? Please, I can't see that sentence anywhere, so maybe highlight it for me.

I find it disheartening that someone representing a national party like Pence would decide to teach there, basically admitting she is perfectly on board with the idea that gays need to be suppressed.  That's her choice. I have the freedom to say I disapprove of it. I won't say there should be a law she shouldn't. Nor should there be a law that I can't voice my disapproval of her intolerance.

See here's the difference: I am not trying to pass laws that say it's okay to fire someone for privately believing homosexuality is sinful.  Conservative Christians and conservative Muslims and conservative atheists are free to believe that gays are an abomination. I will fight them tooth and nail, however, if they try to enact laws based on their belief in discrimination against people just because of whom they are attracted to.

So, Karen Pence, you go to town teaching at a school that will kick out students who have gay parents (something even many Catholic schools wouldn't do, fyi). Just don't think that you are endearing yourself to the millions Americans who are LGBTQ or the millions more who love and support them. You'll just be a divisive figure. And I guess from the standpoint of a liberal, that's just fine and dandy, because it'll make it all the harder for Mike Pence to win votes.[/quote]

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