Anonymous wrote:so, I swear in the first article I read about this, it said she was an advocate for art therapy.

Um, isn't that rather snowflake-y of her? I thought "art therapy" was one of those funny things only commie libs do...

/s

I just hope she never realizes how many male artists are / were gay. Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo, I'm looking at you!

so, I swear in the first article I read about this, it said she was an advocate for art therapy.

Um, isn't that rather snowflake-y of her? I thought "art therapy" was one of those funny things only commie libs do...

/s

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Anonymous wrote:It would be so much easier to take you liberals seriously if you weren’t constantly outraged.

Outrage is all they have. It’s their default condition. They are deeply flawed, defective people.

Well if conservatives can assure us you have no outrage against legal abortion, homosexuality, and illegal immigrants seeking asylum, then fine. I'll give up my outrage against people who believe gays should not allowed to get married to the partners they love or to have protections against getting fired just because they're gay.

How does illegal immigration fit into this picture?

Laws are laws, yes? There are plenty of liberals and independents who are against illegal immigration. But you feel the need to lump everyone under one category.

If you want to get political, OK - here's an article from a left-leaning source - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/voters-doubt-trump-border-wall-will-solve-immigration-issues-poll-says.html
Most voters believe there’s a border crisis — but they don’t think Trump’s wall will solve it (1/2019)

Here's a good MODERATE response:

“While [American voters] believe there is both a humanitarian and a security crisis along the southern border, they absolutely don’t think a wall will solve the problem,” Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a statement accompanying Monday’s poll.

some statistics, which lean toward the conservative end - but not necessarily the case for Ind:

Fifty-four percent of voters surveyed say there is a “security crisis” along the southern border, versus 43 percent who think there is not. Eighty-six percent of Republicans and 54 percent of independents surveyed said there is a security crisis. However, only 25 percent of Democrats said there is a crisis.

You can have all the fits you want, but there's more crossover among people than there are differences. I, for example, believe in a woman's decision to have an abortion but would never have one myself. Would I go out and protest? No, I wouldn't. However, I have taken friends to PP for procedures.

So what am I? hypocrite? or a person who's as complicated as the next? Most people are NOT black and white.

YOU ARE OUTRAGED!!!!

I honestly can’t believe she’s working at all, nevermind slumming it down here in Springfield where I live. I pass that school all the time. The surrounding areas are vast majority Hispanic and working-class. Must be a bit of a culture shock for her.

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Anonymous wrote:Ben Shapiro on Twitter:

“Which is more discriminatory: a private school requiring that its voluntary attendees abide by a code of conduct, or people saying such a school should not exist because that school disagrees with their ideas?”

Or C) one group of people saying another group of people shouldn’t exist. I’ll go with C as most discriminatory.

Except “A”never said that about “C”

If I tell you that your heterosexuality is immoral and you have to become gay that is pretty much the equivalent of saying you should not exist as you truly are. If I tell a black man he must be a white woman, that is the equivalent of me saying he shouldn't exist as he truly is.

Conservative Christians don't think gays should exist. Period.

Add SOME Catholics to the mix . . . and SOME Muslims and SOME Jewish people and so on and so on. Extremists stick to the literal meaning of any religious text.

So as a liberal (Am I correct in labeling you as such?), shouldn't you be accepting of an extremist's views? If conservative Christians wish to form a school, they have every right to do so. YOU don't have to join. YOU don't have to believe in their doctrine. You simply have to accept that they have a right to do so.

Why is this so hard for some? Beliefs are beliefs. Unless they become violent, which is always a possibility for ANY group - regardless of political or religious beliefs, let them be. They will exist in their bubble - a pocket w/in the greater US.

But the hypocrisy is embedded within your belief system - that anything goes (males into females, females into males, yada yada) unless it offends you. A transsexual may offend a conservative Christian, and the conservative Christian may offend you b/c of his/her views on homosexuality.

Yes, I am a liberal and I grew up in a Catholic family so I am very familiar with the Catholic stance, which I completely disagree with. Though at least it's a bit more humanitarian than wanting to kill gays or telling them they have to "convert." They just have to suppress their own being, which is come to think of it pretty darn awful.

I would never say this school doesn't have the right to exist -- can you find above a sentence where it says "this school needs to shut down"? Please, I can't see that sentence anywhere, so maybe highlight it for me.

I find it disheartening that someone representing a national party like Pence would decide to teach there, basically admitting she is perfectly on board with the idea that gays need to be suppressed. That's her choice. I have the freedom to say I disapprove of it. I won't say there should be a law she shouldn't. Nor should there be a law that I can't voice my disapproval of her intolerance.

See here's the difference: I am not trying to pass laws that say it's okay to fire someone for privately believing homosexuality is sinful. Conservative Christians and conservative Muslims and conservative atheists are free to believe that gays are an abomination. I will fight them tooth and nail, however, if they try to enact laws based on their belief in discrimination against people just because of whom they are attracted to.

So, Karen Pence, you go to town teaching at a school that will kick out students who have gay parents (something even many Catholic schools wouldn't do, fyi). Just don't think that you are endearing yourself to the millions Americans who are LGBTQ or the millions more who love and support them. You'll just be a divisive figure. And I guess from the standpoint of a liberal, that's just fine and dandy, because it'll make it all the harder for Mike Pence to win votes.

I don't understand the big deal. The school is just going by the Bible. I'm sure they don't want students engaging in sex before marriage. I went to christian school like this and I knew people that were having sex, gay, and doing other things the school doesn't condone. I do think Karen Pence and her husband are a bad representation because they seem to endorse the ways of Trump and that can be confusing to society.

She is not a Christian. Calling these people Christians is insulting to those of us who are truly trying to follow Christ. There is nothing...NOTHING...Christ-like about anyone who supports Trump. These are hypocrites. Sex offenders. Racists. Bigots. Criminal thugs. If you support Trump, you are literally the opposite of everything Christ taught.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be so much easier to take you liberals seriously if you weren’t constantly outraged.

Outrage is all they have. It’s their default condition. They are deeply flawed, defective people.

Well if conservatives can assure us you have no outrage against legal abortion, homosexuality, and illegal immigrants seeking asylum, then fine. I'll give up my outrage against people who believe gays should not allowed to get married to the partners they love or to have protections against getting fired just because they're gay.

How does illegal immigration fit into this picture?

Laws are laws, yes? There are plenty of liberals and independents who are against illegal immigration. But you feel the need to lump everyone under one category.

If you want to get political, OK - here's an article from a left-leaning source - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/voters-doubt-trump-border-wall-will-solve-immigration-issues-poll-says.html
Most voters believe there’s a border crisis — but they don’t think Trump’s wall will solve it (1/2019)

Here's a good MODERATE response:

“While [American voters] believe there is both a humanitarian and a security crisis along the southern border, they absolutely don’t think a wall will solve the problem,” Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a statement accompanying Monday’s poll.

some statistics, which lean toward the conservative end - but not necessarily the case for Ind:

Fifty-four percent of voters surveyed say there is a “security crisis” along the southern border, versus 43 percent who think there is not. Eighty-six percent of Republicans and 54 percent of independents surveyed said there is a security crisis. However, only 25 percent of Democrats said there is a crisis.

You can have all the fits you want, but there's more crossover among people than there are differences. I, for example, believe in a woman's decision to have an abortion but would never have one myself. Would I go out and protest? No, I wouldn't. However, I have taken friends to PP for procedures.

So what am I? hypocrite? or a person who's as complicated as the next? Most people are NOT black and white.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny that this thread is about teaching art to Christian children and it's one of the most vitriolic, profane exchanges on this board (which is saying a lot).

Did we hit a nerve, Trumpies?

uh . . . Who was originally butthurt?


OP is taking offense at Pence's new teaching position. Remember that this is a private school embracing a religious philosophy. Many religions either condone homosexuality or just barely tolerate it. As a former Catholic who attended Catholic school, I can share what the beliefs were. Sue, you can be gay but don't act on those "impulses." So you either follow the rules or move on.

It is what it is.

So this is where I just have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the neo liberals, which is an appropriate term these days. You'll fight to the death to be "inclusive" in SOME cases but will attack when a religion excludes certain people and forbids specific practices.

Let's look at a woman's right to cover. You must know that the Koran is not gay-friendly. But if she sends her child to a school steeped in "true" Islamic doctirne (as in what's in the Koran is right), do you "love the sinner but hate the sin?"

And what's the sin in this case? her belief system? which is, by the way, the same "extended" doctrine which encourages her to cover

Would you become angry is this woman were president or First Lady?

You can't have it both ways.

Just as long as you acknowledge that these same people crying about religious liberty would be raging at a second lady going to teach at a madrasa.

We get it. Karen Pence thinks a huge number of American citizens should suppress their true selves or face eternity in hell. It is equally valid that those Americans and their family/friends have an equal right to think Karen Pence is a looney whose ideas are psychologically harmful. She doesn’t accept them for who they are and they don’t accept her for who she is. Freedom!

You will have liberals and conservatives aghast at the thought of a first lady teaching at an Islamic institute.

No one fits into a box. My good friend is from Iran. They were all practicing until they hit the US - all at a very age. Suddenly, there's a Christmas tree in the house. She married a Christian and they baptized their baby. Her mother covered until she moved here. their choice to "adapt, to be "flexible" regarding their beliefs

So where do they fit into the picture?

There is no UNITED States. We are pockets of tiny agendas floating around the country. Sometimes one pocket absorbs its neighboring pocket. Other times, the pockets are at war.

Unless there's harm being done - and that's another gray area to define - we should just float around in our pockets, as likes will always attract likes, right?

wut?

OK

First of all, stop being 12. It's WHAT.

Next, my friend, one illogical response will not produce a logical answer. So unless you have something to say, which isn't a strawman argument, bring it on!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ben Shapiro on Twitter:

“Which is more discriminatory: a private school requiring that its voluntary attendees abide by a code of conduct, or people saying such a school should not exist because that school disagrees with their ideas?”

Or C) one group of people saying another group of people shouldn’t exist. I’ll go with C as most discriminatory.

Except “A”never said that about “C”

If I tell you that your heterosexuality is immoral and you have to become gay that is pretty much the equivalent of saying you should not exist as you truly are. If I tell a black man he must be a white woman, that is the equivalent of me saying he shouldn't exist as he truly is.

Conservative Christians don't think gays should exist. Period.

Add SOME Catholics to the mix . . . and SOME Muslims and SOME Jewish people and so on and so on. Extremists stick to the literal meaning of any religious text.

So as a liberal (Am I correct in labeling you as such?), shouldn't you be accepting of an extremist's views? If conservative Christians wish to form a school, they have every right to do so. YOU don't have to join. YOU don't have to believe in their doctrine. You simply have to accept that they have a right to do so.

Why is this so hard for some? Beliefs are beliefs. Unless they become violent, which is always a possibility for ANY group - regardless of political or religious beliefs, let them be. They will exist in their bubble - a pocket w/in the greater US.

But the hypocrisy is embedded within your belief system - that anything goes (males into females, females into males, yada yada) unless it offends you. A transsexual may offend a conservative Christian, and the conservative Christian may offend you b/c of his/her views on homosexuality.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny that this thread is about teaching art to Christian children and it's one of the most vitriolic, profane exchanges on this board (which is saying a lot).

Did we hit a nerve, Trumpies?

uh . . . Who was originally butthurt?


OP is taking offense at Pence's new teaching position. Remember that this is a private school embracing a religious philosophy. Many religions either condone homosexuality or just barely tolerate it. As a former Catholic who attended Catholic school, I can share what the beliefs were. Sue, you can be gay but don't act on those "impulses." So you either follow the rules or move on.

It is what it is.

So this is where I just have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the neo liberals, which is an appropriate term these days. You'll fight to the death to be "inclusive" in SOME cases but will attack when a religion excludes certain people and forbids specific practices.

Let's look at a woman's right to cover. You must know that the Koran is not gay-friendly. But if she sends her child to a school steeped in "true" Islamic doctirne (as in what's in the Koran is right), do you "love the sinner but hate the sin?"

And what's the sin in this case? her belief system? which is, by the way, the same "extended" doctrine which encourages her to cover

Would you become angry is this woman were president or First Lady?

You can't have it both ways.

Just as long as you acknowledge that these same people crying about religious liberty would be raging at a second lady going to teach at a madrasa.

We get it. Karen Pence thinks a huge number of American citizens should suppress their true selves or face eternity in hell. It is equally valid that those Americans and their family/friends have an equal right to think Karen Pence is a looney whose ideas are psychologically harmful. She doesn’t accept them for who they are and they don’t accept her for who she is. Freedom!

You will have liberals and conservatives aghast at the thought of a first lady teaching at an Islamic institute.

No one fits into a box. My good friend is from Iran. They were all practicing until they hit the US - all at a very age. Suddenly, there's a Christmas tree in the house. She married a Christian and they baptized their baby. Her mother covered until she moved here. their choice to "adapt, to be "flexible" regarding their beliefs

So where do they fit into the picture?

There is no UNITED States. We are pockets of tiny agendas floating around the country. Sometimes one pocket absorbs its neighboring pocket. Other times, the pockets are at war.

Unless there's harm being done - and that's another gray area to define - we should just float around in our pockets, as likes will always attract likes, right?

wut?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be so much easier to take you liberals seriously if you weren’t constantly outraged.

Outrage is all they have. It’s their default condition. They are deeply flawed, defective people.

Well if conservatives can assure us you have no outrage against legal abortion, homosexuality, and illegal immigrants seeking asylum, then fine. I'll give up my outrage against people who believe gays should not allowed to get married to the partners they love or to have protections against getting fired just because they're gay.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ben Shapiro on Twitter:

“Which is more discriminatory: a private school requiring that its voluntary attendees abide by a code of conduct, or people saying such a school should not exist because that school disagrees with their ideas?”

Or C) one group of people saying another group of people shouldn’t exist. I’ll go with C as most discriminatory.

Except “A”never said that about “C”

If I tell you that your heterosexuality is immoral and you have to become gay that is pretty much the equivalent of saying you should not exist as you truly are. If I tell a black man he must be a white woman, that is the equivalent of me saying he shouldn't exist as he truly is.

Conservative Christians don't think gays should exist. Period.

Anonymous wrote:It would be so much easier to take you liberals seriously if you weren’t constantly outraged.

Outrage is all they have. It’s their default condition. They are deeply flawed, defective people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ben Shapiro on Twitter:

“Which is more discriminatory: a private school requiring that its voluntary attendees abide by a code of conduct, or people saying such a school should not exist because that school disagrees with their ideas?”

Or C) one group of people saying another group of people shouldn’t exist. I’ll go with C as most discriminatory.

Except “A”never said that about “C”